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    The Real Problems

    BAD DRAFTS:
    1. We have a terrible draft record. Below are wasted draft picks the last 3 years under Mayhew.

    2009:
    1(20): Pettigew (Alex Mack, Michael Oher, Percy Harvin and Vontae Davis went after him-all needs now)

    3(82): Derrick Williams (Mike Wallace went 2 picks after him)

    6th round: Aaron Brown

    7th round: Lydon Murtha, Zack Follett, Dan Gronkowski

    2010:
    1(2): Ndamkong Suh (In my opinion, Suh is the best defensive player in the league. However, his EGO and attitude are ridiculous. Personally, I love having someone hated by everyone on our team. The refs don't like him though. Trent Williams is a franchise LT and Joe Haden is the 3rd best shutdown corner in the league.)

    1(30): Jahvid Best (Trading up was stupid, we lost draft picks for a walking injury bug. Pro-bowl safety TJ Ward and Rob Gronkowski went after him.)

    3(2): Amari Spievey (I actually don't think he's that bad, but he sure as hell isn't Jared Veldheer or Jon Asamoah)

    4(30): Jason Fox (Do I need to say anything about this? Kam Chancellor went after him.)

    7th round: Great find in Willie Young, awful pick in Tim Toone.

    2011:
    1(13): Nick Fairley (If we didn't draft Suh, then I'm all for this pick. Since we did, it made no sense. Kerrigan and Pouncey both fill huge needs.)

    2(44): Titus Young (Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb and Greg Little went after him).

    5th round: Doug Hogue
    7th round: Johnny Culbreath



    Honestly, I don't like Jim Schwartz. I think he's a coward.

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    Wow ok they missed on a couple picks.. Big deal everyone does.. But they took a team with 0 talent and built a team that can compete with anyone week in and week out.. They have also had cap restrictions because of constantly drafting so high.. You can't pass on staff, Suh, Fairley.. Delmas was a good pick I wanted Mack over Petti but he is a good blocker and our line wasn't great and it gave staff a weapon so I understand the pick.. I know we are going to be over the cap but there's gonna be a lot if money coming off the books as well.. They have also made some good trades as well.. Oh and I loved the move for best.. They saw a guy they wanted and got him.. He is a beast and its a shame he can't stay on the field but look at what he brought to the team.. I read an article that said a defensive coordinator said it was harder to game plan for him than CJ and it makes a lot of sense cuz if you want to double or triple CJ you just roll coverage you can't do that to best..
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    Yes but the great teams find value in the later rounds and the talent sticks. Our great picks were on no brainer picks, where it is obvious who you take. You are right you can't hit on every pick but I think we need to do better then just our 1st rounders making an impact. You are right they took a team with out talent and made them into contenders but most of that was with the easy picks (stafford and johnson). I don't think they can get us over the top though. We seemed to have regressed and it doesn't seem like we have ever been under control, we need someone else to come in and get the job done. Theres alot of talent if we can just eliminate mistakes, and make good coaching decisions.
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    It's the first time we regressed in 4 years and I don't think we are far off.. We have had chances to win every game this year just haven't been able to close.. I don't see a lot of the dumb penalties we had like last year it seems like Schwartz is putting his foot down.. And there's going to be growing pains it is his first home coaching.. Yes it's been 4 years but everyone makes mistakes.. He also isn't the one calling the offensive plays.. That's Linehan who pretty much calls the same group of plays.. The dumb draw.. If staff is under center it's prob a run and pass out of shotgun
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    They have added talent other than the draft as well.. I haven't heard of anyone (player or commentator) say to fire Schwartz.. I think he's made mistakes but he is worth another year.. If its. Disappointing year next year then I understand I think it's just a lol to early
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    your jokeing right??


    you can do that for any round any team any player...



    for the recored i am not saying he is doing a good job.. but how your are grading him is beaned ridicules
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    hindsight is a *****
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    Quote Originally Posted by det32 View Post
    hindsight is a *****
    Yup. It'll only piss you off to go back and look at picks and who you missed if you want to feel better here are some of the bears recent first round picks.
    Greg Olsen-traded
    Chris Williams-cut
    Gabe Carimi-lost starting job now playing rg
    Shea McClellin-project de only used in passing situations.


    Or you could be the raiders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub_StuckinSTL View Post
    Yup. It'll only piss you off to go back and look at picks and who you missed if you want to feel better here are some of the bears recent first round picks.
    Greg Olsen-traded
    Chris Williams-cut
    Gabe Carimi-lost starting job now playing rg
    Shea McClellin-project de only used in passing situations.


    Or you could be the raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub_StuckinSTL View Post
    Yup. It'll only piss you off to go back and look at picks and who you missed if you want to feel better here are some of the bears recent first round picks.
    Greg Olsen-traded
    Chris Williams-cut
    Gabe Carimi-lost starting job now playing rg
    Shea McClellin-project de only used in passing situations.


    Or you could be the raiders.
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    This comment needs to be pulled...you're not allowed to post drafts by comparable GM's to show Mayhew isn't awful, just average or good at this point. Mayhew is only allowed to be compared to Newsome, Thompson, Dimitroff or well we know Bellichek is the real GM in NE...that's it because that's the only way to prove Mayhew is terrible. And especially don't EVER bring up Pioli, Holmgren, or Allen's drafting track records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madhador View Post
    This comment needs to be pulled...you're not allowed to post drafts by comparable GM's to show Mayhew isn't awful, just average or good at this point. Mayhew is only allowed to be compared to Newsome, Thompson, Dimitroff or well we know Bellichek is the real GM in NE...that's it because that's the only way to prove Mayhew is terrible. And especially don't EVER bring up Pioli, Holmgren, or Allen's drafting track records.
    just for the recored... the pats have more bust then most team do... but they also have more picks

    basicly what i am saying is they are very good at geting picks... but as far as picking the player they are only above avg..
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    Quote Originally Posted by madhador View Post
    This comment needs to be pulled...you're not allowed to post drafts by comparable GM's to show Mayhew isn't awful, just average or good at this point. Mayhew is only allowed to be compared to Newsome, Thompson, Dimitroff or well we know Bellichek is the real GM in NE...that's it because that's the only way to prove Mayhew is terrible. And especially don't EVER bring up Pioli, Holmgren, or Allen's drafting track records.
    I want a good GM. Therefore, I'll continue to compare him to the level that I want my GM to perform at.

    If you're happy with mediocrity, go ahead and compare him to the bottom of the barrel to help you feel better about him.


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    First of all, players like Matthews and Ware actually ARE overrated...

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    No, the best comparison to Miggy is Albert Pujols. And I'll be honest, Cabrera doesn't really compare favorably to Pujols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driz View Post
    I want a good GM. Therefore, I'll continue to compare him to the level that I want my GM to perform at.

    If you're happy with mediocrity, go ahead and compare him to the bottom of the barrel to help you feel better about him.
    Hey man, I'm with you...Mayhew is terrible. I think it's a crime to even suggest he's remotely ok by comparing him to Emery or, even Angelo before him, according to comparable draft records. I also think it's despicable to point out that draft darlings NE are anything but perfection. TERRENCE WHEATLEY FTW!!!

    I'm right on that train, sitting side by side with you saying...SO be it that Mayhew wiped out an entire team that went from 0 wins and built a 10 game winning playoff team. That is AWFUL IMO because we should be in Super Bowl contenders talks at this point, I mean how long should it take to go from nothing to something!? It's never been attempted but I will tell you it better be less than 2 yrs and Mayhew with his playoff team he built 3 seasons after the nothing year is one year too late and inexcusable ...INEXCUSABLE I TELL YOU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub_StuckinSTL View Post
    Yup. It'll only piss you off to go back and look at picks and who you missed if you want to feel better here are some of the bears recent first round picks.
    Greg Olsen-traded
    Chris Williams-cut
    Gabe Carimi-lost starting job now playing rg
    Shea McClellin-project de only used in passing situations.


    Or you could be the raiders.
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