Official NBA Race to the MVP Thread

[JordansBulls]

The interesting thing this year is that the stat WS/PER 48 minutes has only been done 8 times where a player finished .3000 or greater in WS/PER 48 minutes while a 30.00 PER or greater has been done 16 times.

Currently speaking Lebron is at a 30.20 PER while CP3 is at a .3016 WS/PER 48 minutes and Durant at a .3010

[29$JerZ]

I don't dispute this (though, while 3-4 looks convincing, and may be meaningful, it's still too tiny of a sample size)...but unless the Knicks grab the 1 seed, I don't see how he'll win it. He's not playing better than the other top candidates, so to make up for that he's gotta see the team success.

Winning the East is certainly doable, however.

Yeah Melo cannot win MVP while LeBron and Durant exist.
As you said it would take winning our division and being a Top 2 seed in the East to even get legit consideration. This award is pretty much a lock for Durant imo though

[poleandreel]

MVP to durant

[UPRock]

Nope, not yet.

[Dankster]

I don't dispute this (though, while 3-4 looks convincing, and may be meaningful, it's still too tiny of a sample size)...but unless the Knicks grab the 1 seed, I don't see how he'll win it. He's not playing better than the other top candidates, so to make up for that he's gotta see the team success.

Winning the East is certainly doable, however.

I agree 100%. Granted, even if the Knicks can lock up the 2nd seed and get >52 wins this year, it'll be a drastic improvement from years past and he'll have to be considered one of the leading candidates.

But it's definitely going to take the Knicks locking up the top seed for him to actually win it. The numbers Durant and Lebron are putting up are just out of this world, and both of their teams are winning more than the Knicks. Melo can only make a strong claim for the award if the Knicks end up with the best record in the East. If they can pull that off and Melo can keep averages of over 29 ppg and 6.5 rbg on an efficient manner, he'll have a very convincing case to win the award.

My order: Durant>Lebron>Paul>Melo.

[Zefflin]

Can a mod remove this guys head er i mean get rid of this pic or what jesus...

[rockbottom2010]

durant on has one asset....and that is scoring....and lebron is putting up numbers...durant needs to add some muscle....cuz his post game sucks

[tredigs]

durant on has one asset....and that is scoring....and lebron is putting up numbers...durant needs to add some muscle....cuz his post game sucks

Well yeah, HOF level scoring to be more precise. And he does also rebound as well as Marc Gasol and averages the same assist per game as J. Kidd. More minutes, but Kidd's still logging 30 a night. Point being, KD has become a much more involved and effective facilitator as well as a very good rebounder.

He also plays very solid D and is the driving force for the team with the best record in the NBA - 4 games better than Miami.

2nd in the league with a PER of 29.1
Leads the league in WS/48 with a .301 (which is on pace for better than all but 4 players in history. Those players being Wilt+Lebron 1 season, MJ and Kareem).
Leads the league in overall Win Shares at 10.0
2nd in scoring at 29.3 ppg with a TS% of .653

Overall line of 29.3 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.2 apg 1.6 spg 1.3 bpg with percentages > 50/40/90 for the leagues best record

That's not only an MVP year, it's one of the elite MVP years.

Lebron is having an MVP year himself, but don't make yourself look like an idiot here.

[rockbottom2010]

Well yeah, HOF level scoring to be more precise. And he does also rebound as well as Marc Gasol and averages the same assist per game as J. Kidd. More minutes, but Kidd's still logging 30 a night. Point being, KD has become a much more involved and effective facilitator as well as a very good rebounder.

He also plays very solid D and is the driving force for the team with the best record in the NBA - 4 games better than Miami.

2nd in the league with a PER of 29.1
Leads the league in WS/48 with a .301 (which is on pace for better than all but 4 players in history. Those players being Wilt+Lebron 1 season, MJ and Kareem).
Leads the league in overall Win Shares at 10.0
2nd in scoring at 29.3 ppg with a TS% of .653

Overall line of 29.3 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.2 apg 1.6 spg 1.3 bpg with percentages > 50/40/90 for the leagues best record

That's not only an MVP year, it's one of the elite MVP years.

Lebron is having an MVP year himself, but don't make yourself look like an idiot here.

First of all, don't make a fool out of yourself.....LBJ is on top of the world and its not even close.......durants defense is not that great either....lebron is playing at a level nobody can reach......why don't u put up lebrons numbers....and compare it to durants......cuz its no where close.....don't be acting a fool...cuz i will take u to school

[rockbottom2010]

The interesting thing this year is that the stat WS/PER 48 minutes has only been done 8 times where a player finished .3000 or greater in WS/PER 48 minutes while a 30.00 PER or greater has been done 16 times.

Currently speaking Lebron is at a 30.20 PER while CP3 is at a .3016 WS/PER 48 minutes and Durant at a .3010

correctly speaking his PER is now 30.31, Durants is 29.14, and CP3 is 26.63...on top of that, LBJ is playing two elite stars

[bucketss]

First of all, don't make a fool out of yourself.....LBJ is on top of the world and its not even close.......durants defense is not that great either....lebron is playing at a level nobody can reach......why don't u put up lebrons numbers....and compare it to durants......cuz its no where close.....don't be acting a fool...cuz i will take u to school

Durant is a ELITE defender.

[rockbottom2010]

Durant is a ELITE defender.

really....are you serious?

All Defensive Teams

FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
2007–08
Kevin Garnett^ (9) Boston Celtics Shane Battier^ Houston Rockets
Kobe Bryant^ (8) Los Angeles Lakers Chris Paul^ New Orleans Hornets
Marcus Camby^ (4) Denver Nuggets Dwight Howard^ Orlando Magic
Bruce Bowen (8) San Antonio Spurs Tayshaun Prince^ (4) Detroit Pistons
Tim Duncan^ (11) San Antonio Spurs Raja Bell^ (2) Phoenix Suns


2008–09
Dwight Howard^ (2) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (12) San Antonio Spurs
Kobe Bryant^ (9) Los Angeles Lakers Dwyane Wade^ (2) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ Cleveland Cavaliers Rajon Rondo^ Boston Celtics
Chris Paul^ (2) New Orleans Hornets Shane Battier^ (2) Houston Rockets
Kevin Garnett^ (10) Boston Celtics Ron Artest^ (4)[d] Houston Rockets

2009–10

Dwight Howard^ (3) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (13) San Antonio Spurs
Rajon Rondo^ (2) Boston Celtics Dwyane Wade^ (3) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ (2) Cleveland Cavaliers Josh Smith^ Atlanta Hawks
Kobe Bryant^ (10) Los Angeles Lakers Anderson Varejao^ Cleveland Cavaliers
Gerald Wallace^ Charlotte Bobcats ` Thabo Sefolosha^ Oklahoma City Thunder

2010–11
Dwight Howard^ (4) Orlando Magic Tony Allen^ Memphis Grizzlies
Rajon Rondo^ (3) Boston Celtics Chris Paul^ (3) New Orleans Hornets
LeBron James^ (3) Miami Heat Tyson Chandler^ Dallas Mavericks
Kobe Bryant^ (11) Los Angeles Lakers Andre Iguodala^ Philadelphia 76ers
Kevin Garnett^ (11) Boston Celtics Joakim Noah^ Chicago Bulls

2011–12
LeBron James^ (4) Miami Heat Kevin Garnett^ (12) Boston Celtics
Serge Ibaka^ Oklahoma City Thunder Luol Deng^ Chicago Bulls
Dwight Howard^ (5) Orlando Magic Tyson Chandler^ (2) New York Knicks
Chris Paul^ (4) Los Angeles Clippers Rajon Rondo^ (4) Boston Celtics
Tony Allen^ (2) Memphis Grizzlies Kobe Bryant^ (12) Los Angeles Lakers

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html

btw.....wheres kevin durant?...i rest my case

[b@llhog24]

First of all, don't make a fool out of yourself.....LBJ is on top of the world and its not even close.......durants defense is not that great either....lebron is playing at a level nobody can reach......why don't u put up lebrons numbers....and compare it to durants......cuz its no where close.....don't be acting a fool...cuz i will take u to school

Why would you want him to do that if you're trying to make a case FOR LeBron?

really....are you serious?

All Defensive Teams

FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
2007–08
Kevin Garnett^ (9) Boston Celtics Shane Battier^ Houston Rockets
Kobe Bryant^ (8) Los Angeles Lakers Chris Paul^ New Orleans Hornets
Marcus Camby^ (4) Denver Nuggets Dwight Howard^ Orlando Magic
Bruce Bowen (8) San Antonio Spurs Tayshaun Prince^ (4) Detroit Pistons
Tim Duncan^ (11) San Antonio Spurs Raja Bell^ (2) Phoenix Suns


2008–09
Dwight Howard^ (2) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (12) San Antonio Spurs
Kobe Bryant^ (9) Los Angeles Lakers Dwyane Wade^ (2) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ Cleveland Cavaliers Rajon Rondo^ Boston Celtics
Chris Paul^ (2) New Orleans Hornets Shane Battier^ (2) Houston Rockets
Kevin Garnett^ (10) Boston Celtics Ron Artest^ (4)[d] Houston Rockets

2009–10

Dwight Howard^ (3) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (13) San Antonio Spurs
Rajon Rondo^ (2) Boston Celtics Dwyane Wade^ (3) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ (2) Cleveland Cavaliers Josh Smith^ Atlanta Hawks
Kobe Bryant^ (10) Los Angeles Lakers Anderson Varejao^ Cleveland Cavaliers
Gerald Wallace^ Charlotte Bobcats ` Thabo Sefolosha^ Oklahoma City Thunder

2010–11
Dwight Howard^ (4) Orlando Magic Tony Allen^ Memphis Grizzlies
Rajon Rondo^ (3) Boston Celtics Chris Paul^ (3) New Orleans Hornets
LeBron James^ (3) Miami Heat Tyson Chandler^ Dallas Mavericks
Kobe Bryant^ (11) Los Angeles Lakers Andre Iguodala^ Philadelphia 76ers
Kevin Garnett^ (11) Boston Celtics Joakim Noah^ Chicago Bulls

2011–12
LeBron James^ (4) Miami Heat Kevin Garnett^ (12) Boston Celtics
Serge Ibaka^ Oklahoma City Thunder Luol Deng^ Chicago Bulls
Dwight Howard^ (5) Orlando Magic Tyson Chandler^ (2) New York Knicks
Chris Paul^ (4) Los Angeles Clippers Rajon Rondo^ (4) Boston Celtics
Tony Allen^ (2) Memphis Grizzlies Kobe Bryant^ (12) Los Angeles Lakers

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html

btw.....wheres kevin durant?...i rest my case

Kobe Bryant is there, so

[bucketss]

really....are you serious?

All Defensive Teams

FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
2007–08
Kevin Garnett^ (9) Boston Celtics Shane Battier^ Houston Rockets
Kobe Bryant^ (8) Los Angeles Lakers Chris Paul^ New Orleans Hornets
Marcus Camby^ (4) Denver Nuggets Dwight Howard^ Orlando Magic
Bruce Bowen (8) San Antonio Spurs Tayshaun Prince^ (4) Detroit Pistons
Tim Duncan^ (11) San Antonio Spurs Raja Bell^ (2) Phoenix Suns


2008–09
Dwight Howard^ (2) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (12) San Antonio Spurs
Kobe Bryant^ (9) Los Angeles Lakers Dwyane Wade^ (2) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ Cleveland Cavaliers Rajon Rondo^ Boston Celtics
Chris Paul^ (2) New Orleans Hornets Shane Battier^ (2) Houston Rockets
Kevin Garnett^ (10) Boston Celtics Ron Artest^ (4)[d] Houston Rockets

2009–10

Dwight Howard^ (3) Orlando Magic Tim Duncan^ (13) San Antonio Spurs
Rajon Rondo^ (2) Boston Celtics Dwyane Wade^ (3) Miami Heat
LeBron James^ (2) Cleveland Cavaliers Josh Smith^ Atlanta Hawks
Kobe Bryant^ (10) Los Angeles Lakers Anderson Varejao^ Cleveland Cavaliers
Gerald Wallace^ Charlotte Bobcats ` Thabo Sefolosha^ Oklahoma City Thunder

2010–11
Dwight Howard^ (4) Orlando Magic Tony Allen^ Memphis Grizzlies
Rajon Rondo^ (3) Boston Celtics Chris Paul^ (3) New Orleans Hornets
LeBron James^ (3) Miami Heat Tyson Chandler^ Dallas Mavericks
Kobe Bryant^ (11) Los Angeles Lakers Andre Iguodala^ Philadelphia 76ers
Kevin Garnett^ (11) Boston Celtics Joakim Noah^ Chicago Bulls

2011–12
LeBron James^ (4) Miami Heat Kevin Garnett^ (12) Boston Celtics
Serge Ibaka^ Oklahoma City Thunder Luol Deng^ Chicago Bulls
Dwight Howard^ (5) Orlando Magic Tyson Chandler^ (2) New York Knicks
Chris Paul^ (4) Los Angeles Clippers Rajon Rondo^ (4) Boston Celtics
Tony Allen^ (2) Memphis Grizzlies Kobe Bryant^ (12) Los Angeles Lakers

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html

btw.....wheres kevin durant?...i rest my case

look at 2012 nba first team. do you see iggys name? how about defensive player of the year tyson chandler? i rest my case.

[rockbottom2010]

look at 2012 nba first team. do you see iggys name? how about defensive player of the year tyson chandler? i rest my case.

iguodala has been there at least once.....durant hasn't....i rest my case....case closed.....and with his 160 lbs frame...he doesn't stand a chance