I'm not saying we have to get Dickey or McCarthy is a bad idea (but I don't get why people are excited about a pretty mediocre pitcher-why not Happ over him?) but there's a huge difference in talent and therefore we hav eto give up to get him. Also, people dishing on Dickey like he's not one of the best 10 pitchers in the league and more like a #3 starter with alot of issues. The guy was the best (or second best based on a debate) pitcher in the NL last year and led the major leagues in innings and there's no reason to think he's slowing down due to his style and does not hav einjury problems.
would anyone be concerned with dickeys knuckleball flattening out in the dome ?
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Reasons I would be fine with acquiring Dickey
- he should give us 200 innings and everyone else(besides Buerle) are less likely to give us that. Will save our bullpen which is important down the stretch.
- he has been good for 3 years and throws his knuckleball about 10 mph faster than the average knuckleballer. Imagine how much the opposing hitters timing will be off if Dickey throws one day and Morrow follows him the next. He really would solidify our rotation.
- the jays have already committed a lot of money and have given up some pretty good prospects. We really need to go for it. Our team is relatively young but reye's speed and bautista's power for example will likely start to decline slowly in a few years. I would like to extend him another 2 years but realize we may have to give up better prospects to do this.
I don't want to give up D'arnaud but would be fine with Gose and Arencebia.
As has been talked about to death, there's very little arm fatique generated from the knuckleball. It doesn't matter what he was throwing before his mid-30's. He has a healthy arm right now, and now he's throwing a pitch that causes little stress on the arm.
It's injury and/or loss in generated power that does most non-knuckleballers in before their 40th birthday. The reason that the exceptional knuckleballers can pitch into their mid-40's effectively is that neither are concerns. Even if he lost 10 to 15mph off his 80mph knuckleball, he'd still be throwing in the mid-60's.
The difference between him and a Tim Wakefield is the quality of his knuckleball and his control of it. Niekro isn't in the hall of fame because he threw his knuckleball in the mid-60's. He's in the hall because he mastered the pitch itself. Dickey appears to have not only done that in a few short years, he's way ahead of Neikro in arm strength at the same age, which is why I argue his decline could very well be even further off than guys like Hough or Neikro.
Last edited by fmradioguy; 12-07-2012 at 07:57 PM.
I don't understand why people think that Dickey won't do well in the AL East. He's a GB pitcher that gets a ton of strikeouts and limits walks. He is a legitimate ace now, and should continue to pitch at a high level for at least 3 more years.
2010: 2.84 ERA, 55% GB rate, 174 IP in 26 GS
2011: 3.28 ERA, 51% GB rate, 208 IP in 32 GS
2012: 2.73 ERA, 46% GB rate, 233 IP in 33 GS
The reason why his GB rates have gone down a bit is because of his high knuckler he developed. It induces more pop-ups, gets more fly-balls, and way more swing and misses explaining his 12.2% swinging strike rate and 8.86 K/9.
He is an awesome pitcher willing to sign an extension for 2 years $25-30M, the only reason the Mets haven't re-signed him is because they are trying to explore all trades to fill the many holes we have on this team. If we were closer to contention, we wouldn't even think of dealing him.
It will take a significant offer to get Dickey, and he will definitely be worth it for the team that eventually gets him.
Gose is a guy like Mike Olt, someone you might swap straight up for a pitcher like Dickey if you're feeling lucky, but not someone you need to build around to get a deal done.
Apparently Ken Rosenthal agrees with me:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/v...termine-120812Possibility No. 2: Dickey for Blue Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia and center fielder Anthony Gose.
The Jays definitely would say “no” to this. They would be trading a combined 10 years of control over Arencibia and Gose — both of whom play premium up-the-middle positions — for one year of Dickey.
Young players such as Gose and the Rangers’ Olt not only are inexpensive, but also offer upside and the possibility of signing club-friendly extensions in the future.