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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwyer View Post
    Sure the payroll will be up above $100M, it doesn't mean it's there to spend. I heard this on WFAN update, since I do not listen to Fatcesa. Jeff also mentions that Sandy will have "flexibility" for THIS off-season. Do not believe this, do not make too much of it. Jeff does this EVERY year.
    What did he say last year?
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Im not disagreeing..

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigheyes4MVP View Post
    If the Wilpons are serious...it makes sense to push for 2014 anyway.

    There will be better FAs in 2014 and by then Wheeler and Harvey should both be in the rotation.

    I don't really trust the Wilpons, but if they are being honest here, it makes perfect sense in every way possible to go for it big in 2014.
    But I believe it makes good sense to lay the foundation for the 2014 season which should mean; make trades and sign the right affordable players to make us competitive. Imagine five good starters without a competent bullpen to close. Imagine Baxter, Duda, and Captain K playing a full season and setting the major league mark in strikeouts and least rbi's. Yes 2014 is looking like we're gonna be a good team, but the foundation should be started in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The-rock-man View Post
    But I believe it makes good sense to lay the foundation for the 2014 season which should mean; make trades and sign the right affordable players to make us competitive. Imagine five good starters without a competent bullpen to close. Imagine Baxter, Duda, and Captain K playing a full season and setting the major league mark in strikeouts and least rbi's. Yes 2014 is looking like we're gonna be a good team, but the foundation should be started in 2013.
    How is 2014 looking like a good year? Aside from starting pitching, the offense is the same with no impact players moving up the system, the bullpen is the same and theres no certainty that they'll pick up ellsbury or any other big free agent.

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    Optimistic.. ya gotta have hope. Heck I'm a Redskins fan and look how long it took to get one decent player! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
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    Jeff Wilpon says firmly: "The payroll is going to go up next year" and talks about "flexibility" after contracts come off books in 2014
    Excellent! Then the next time I get an email from the Mets trying to sell me tickets I'll tell them to talk to me in 2014.
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    This is what Jeff Wilpon said exactly:

    "We have a plan, we are going to go through with that. The payroll is going to go up this year and Sandy knows the flexibility he has, and then next year when somethings(contracts) go off the books, it can go even higher."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    This is what Jeff Wilpon said exactly:

    "We have a plan, we are going to go through with that. The payroll is going to go up this year and Sandy knows the flexibility he has, and then next year when somethings(contracts) go off the books, it can go even higher."
    This whole payroll thing is confusing, at best. While thinking about winning in 2014 is fine, it seems to me that there is plenty of payroll flexibility right now.

    According to my calculations, with only $6 million due to Jason Bay next year, total commitments for 2013 came to approximately $76 million. That number includes current contracts, (which had David Wright @ $16 million and R.A. Dickey @ $5 million) projected salaries for 8 arbitration eligible players (including 4 first years) and 6 pre-arb players. Today we hear that David Wright's new contract calls for his salary in 2013 to be reduced to $8 million, bringing commitments for next year down to about $68 million.

    Sandy said that the 2013 payroll will be about equal to last years, which was close to $100 million. Allowing for normal payroll creep as minor leaguers are brought up, we should still have about $25 to $30 million in payroll flexibility for 2013. Now Jeff says that the payroll is going to go up this year?

    It appears that we are sitting on the sidelines this week, while other teams are making moves left and right. Pretty soon there won't be anyone left to spend our newfound flexibility on. (I realize that is a bit of an exaggeration, but the better outfield targets are rapidly disappearing.) We certainly aren't going to bid on Josh Hamilton. Sandy was totally preoccupied with extending David, and now seems to be focusing solely on either trading or extending Dickey, while all else has come to a halt.

    Wake up, Sandy. Jeff says you have money to spend. It looks to me as if that could be $25 million or more. Make a splash.
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    What is this so-called flexibility that we have this year that jeff talked about? What a crock.

    I just listened to his interview with Francesa. Was anyone else DEPRESSED after listening to that? He sounds like he's divorced from reality.
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    If we're willing to pony up money in 14 why not enter the Hamilton fray? 4 or 5 year deals for one of the elite hitters in all of baseball? Sounds like a bargain to me.

    Yes, no matter what we do this off-season we aren't real contenders with dead money to Bay and so much tied up to a mid-rotation starter in Santana, but no one available in the next FA class will have the impact in 2014 like Hamilton.

    The only talent in that FA class is in starting pitching which we don't need.

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    Hamilton might get real cheap if Texas gets Upton.

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    Could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if the Mets signed Hamilton? Lmao
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    No more than 3 years and I would be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY_Heartbreak View Post
    Could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if the Mets signed Hamilton? Lmao
    Before I saw Reyes's deal with the Marlins last year, I would have said there's no way the Mets could backload a contract enough to fit Hamilton into this year's budget. Now I have to say it could probably be done, but it means the Mets would be on the hook for at least $25 million a year for 3 or 4 years down the road. With Hamilton's history of personal problems, do you want to risk a contract like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
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    And how much is that? More money could be a couple million to them.

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