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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    I didn't see any mention of better documentation. Maybe that is an under lying effect of the bill, but in the article they interviewed the representatives that passed this. One said the licenses will make Illinois roads safer by requiring unlicensed immigrants to undergo driver training and get insurance.

    Truthfully I think you would drive safer without a license because you don't want to be pulled over.
    It may or may not make you safer, but it does not help where insurance is needed to pay the person you hit by accident.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    I see that point, but how many people can actually afford insurance. Also how many people think that it is necessary to have. Just because you have a license and are suppose to have insurance, doesn't mean that people get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    I see that point, but how many people can actually afford insurance. Also how many people think that it is necessary to have. Just because you have a license and are suppose to have insurance, doesn't mean that people get it.
    Generally, undocumented people have a very strong incentive to obey the law. They'll lose their jobs, their homes, and often their families by being deported if they're arrested. If you could help prevent those outcomes simply by buying car insurance, which is a good idea regardless, wouldn't you do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labgrownmangoat View Post
    Generally, undocumented people have a very strong incentive to obey the law. They'll lose their jobs, their homes, and often their families by being deported if they're arrested. If you could help prevent those outcomes simply by buying car insurance, which is a good idea regardless, wouldn't you do it?
    That incentive is often used to blackmail them.

    "Oh you want more pay, well let's ask the nice people at ICE what they think about your current pay level".
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    ppl clear are ignorant on the deportation process. you think you just pick them up and drive them across the border??? NO. You arrest them, process them, wait for legal challenges assuming they have US BORN KIDS, cost money to fight in court, cost even more to send them back to where they came from. They dont all come from Mexico. Basically, we buy them a plane ticket to send them back. I think THAWV you should accompany some of them to make sure they dont come back. Send them all back home and make fear mongerers, bigots, homophobes, racist pay the cost. Seems like they are the ones that have problems with human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labgrownmangoat View Post
    Generally, undocumented people have a very strong incentive to obey the law. They'll lose their jobs, their homes, and often their families by being deported if they're arrested. If you could help prevent those outcomes simply by buying car insurance, which is a good idea regardless, wouldn't you do it?
    Can you they even afford the car insurance? I mean yeah you are going to do all you can to stay out of trouble but sometimes it isn't economical to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamar2006 View Post
    ppl clear are ignorant on the deportation process. you think you just pick them up and drive them across the border??? NO. You arrest them, process them, wait for legal challenges assuming they have US BORN KIDS, cost money to fight in court, cost even more to send them back to where they came from. They dont all come from Mexico. Basically, we buy them a plane ticket to send them back. I think THAWV you should accompany some of them to make sure they dont come back. Send them all back home and make fear mongerers, bigots, homophobes, racist pay the cost. Seems like they are the ones that have problems with human beings.
    So anyone that wants illegals in our country should have to pay for these expenses with accidents, as well as any other costs that they incur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    So anyone that wants illegals in our country should have to pay for these expenses with accidents, as well as any other costs that they incur?
    Don't mind that nonsense. Anytime you see four hate filled words in one sentance like that, its not worth your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    Haven't we always been told driving is not a right, it's a privilege? To obtain a license, you have to have a temporary passport which only gives you a limited license or are a citizen of this country. These people nor have the privilege or the legal status to get one. They do not deserve to drive on the very roads I drive on every day. There are many of people not from this country who did the right thing and applied to citizenship and took all of the classes to obtain one. Illegals should be detained and sent back to their native countries.
    To obtain a license(or state ID) you must be a resident of the United States. you go with your green card and what not to get your license.

    Not knocking on you on this issue, but you become a resident before you become a citizen. People eligible for the dream act(if it passes) will become a resident first. Then they can apply for citizenship, which can take a few years.
    Last edited by hizpcstr; 12-08-2012 at 10:36 PM.

    Too many what Ifs

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    If you detain and deport illegal immigrants at the DMV, no illegal immigrants will go there.

    So our 2 options are:

    1. Have illegal immigrants who follow/know the rules of the road to get their license.
    2. Have illegal immigrants who don't get licenses and don't follow the rules of the road.

    Pretty easy choice for me.

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    Here is the text of the legislation:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...Sess=&Session=

    Before everyone freaks out that "the illegals are getting licenses, I suggest a complete reading, because that doesn't appear to be the case at all. But hyperbole sells so if you want to stick with what you've got keep going...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Here is the text of the legislation:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...Sess=&Session=

    Before everyone freaks out that "the illegals are getting licenses, I suggest a complete reading, because that doesn't appear to be the case at all. But hyperbole sells so if you want to stick with what you've got keep going...
    Illegals may get a DL. It's as clear as day.

    Replaces everything after the enacting clause. Amends the State Finance Act to create the Driver Services Administration Fund. Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Allows the Secretary of State to issue temporary visitor's driver's licenses to applicants who have resided in this State for more than a year, are ineligible to obtain a social security number, and who are unable to present documentation issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services authorizing the person's presence in this country. Sets forth the documentation requirements for applying for the temporary visitor's driver's license, as well as the duration of the license. Prohibits a temporary visitor's driver's license from being used as proof of the holder's identity. Establishes that holders of the licenses are subject to other Vehicle Code regulations, including insurance requirements. Amends the Consular Identification Document Act. Allows a consular identification document to be used for the acquisition of a temporary visitor's driver's license. Effective 10 months after becoming law.

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