Red Sox Sign Shane Victorino (3 Years, $39 million)

[Halladay]

You cant say his deal is good. It's a lot worst than overpaying on a 3 year deal.

That doesn't answer my question. Reyes is overpaid, but he's also an elite SS who's contract was backloaded. You'd be crazy to prefer Victorino's deal over Reyes' all things considered. I just don't understand the obsession, I've seen him bring up Reyes a hundred times it seems(well before this signing).

[Nomar]

That doesn't answer my question. Reyes is overpaid, but he's also an elite SS who's contract was backloaded. You'd be crazy to prefer Victorino's deal over Reyes' all things considered. I just don't understand the obsession, I've seen him bring up Reyes a hundred times it seems(well before this signing).

I'd much rather have Victorino's deal. It wont hurt the Sox in the long run no matter what, even if he never played a game. Reyes could end up being a way bigger burden.

[Johann]

I'd much rather have Victorino's deal. It wont hurt the Sox in the long run no matter what, even if he never played a game. Reyes could end up being a way bigger burden.

Victorino is already a burden.

[Bos_Sports4Life]

IMO the red sox oerpaid, but not by as much as some people make it seem like, IMO 3/31 is where I would have stopped...So imo its an 8 Mill dollar over payment.

[goalie]

It's funny that he's the exact same player as Carl Crawford, but for only half the price and years! Good luck with that.

you are insane if you think shane is crawford.

[mtf]

I'd much rather have Victorino's deal. It wont hurt the Sox in the long run no matter what, even if he never played a game. Reyes could end up being a way bigger burden.

So given the choice of...

Shane Victorino, $13 million per year & 3 years (ages 32, 33, 34)

...or...

Jose Reyes, $17.5 million per year & 5 years (ages 30, 31, 32, 33, 34)

...you choose Victorino? I don't really see the logic in it.

I guess there's slightly more risk in the Reyes deal (2 more years and $4.5m more per year) but he plays a more premium position and performs at a higher level.

[AI4]

Victorino is already a burden.

Oh a player who had a down year and still put up a 3.3 WAR is already a burden? Jays fans need to stop being so damn arrogant. Victorino is on the decline yet had the best year of his career in 2011. OK...

[Bos_Sports4Life]

Victorino is already a burden.

07- 3.1 WAR
08- 4.2 WAR
09- 3.5 WAR
'10- 2.8 WAR
'11- 5.2 WAR
'12- 2.4 WAR

besides last yr he was consistantly 3+ WAR, Yet...Hes a burden?

Overpayment? sure
A deal I would have made?No

But his WAR suggests he's deff a 3 yr/30 Mill dollar calliber player

[Nomar]

So given the choice of...

Shane Victorino, $13 million per year & 3 years (ages 32, 33, 34)

...or...

Jose Reyes, $17.5 million per year & 5 years (ages 30, 31, 32, 33, 34)

...you choose Victorino? I don't really see the logic in it.

I guess there's slightly more risk in the Reyes deal (2 more years and $4.5m more per year) but he plays a more premium position and performs at a higher level.

2 more years, declining defense at SS, and a bat that wouldnt play too well at 2B. Couple that with the hard surface at Toronto and he may well get hurt again.

Niether are horrible anyways, but Victorinos carries a lot less risk.

[mtf]

2 more years, declining defense at SS, and a bat that wouldnt play too well at 2B. Couple that with the hard surface at Toronto and he may well get hurt again.

Niether are horrible anyways, but Victorinos carries a lot less risk.

I do agree that neither are terrible, but I guess my point is it seems ridiculous for a Boston fan to have defended the Victorino signing by referencing Reyes.

For only $4.5m more AAV, the position they each occupy, and both contracts ending in the same year (respective to age) it would seem like Reyes is a significantly better asset.

As for risk, you're right that Reyes contract is a bigger risk, although risk usually runs proportional to talent level and performance.

Difference of opinion, I guess...

[Halladay]

I'd much rather have Victorino's deal. It wont hurt the Sox in the long run no matter what, even if he never played a game. Reyes could end up being a way bigger burden.

So would you rather have Victorino or Reyes? Team needs aside, contracts aside. I just don't see how anyone could take Victorino over Reyes given their positions. Bostons fans claim it's only money, which they have plenty of. Well, so do the Jays. Neither have value contracts but as we all know, there's almost no such thing as those anymore in free agency.

[LakersA's49ers]

God awful contract. The flying Hawaiian would get 2/12 max from me

[Bo Sox Fan]

Red Sox fans having to listen to Jays fans is like a pornstar listening to a kid who just had there first orgasm.

You have 1 good offseason and think you know it all already. Well, wait until we play the games... Injuries WILL happen since there's no getting around them, and there's ALWAYS an underachieving player or 2 or 3 or 4 to go with a few surprise performers.

Don't be surprised if the Jays let you down for the 21st straight season. I'm not saying this to bash you, I'm saying this through experience. And God knows my Sox have been the most injury prone underachieving team in baseball the past 2 years.

[Nomar]

To be fair the Blue Jays are no strangers to injury. Look at them this year alone.

[Halladay]

Red Sox fans having to listen to Jays fans is like a pornstar listening to a kid who just had there first orgasm.

You have 1 good offseason and think you know it all already. Well, wait until we play the games... Injuries WILL happen since there's no getting around them, and there's ALWAYS an underachieving player or 2 or 3 or 4 to go with a few surprise performers.

Don't be surprised if the Jays let you down for the 21st straight season. I'm not saying this to bash you, I'm saying this through experience. And God knows my Sox have been the most injury prone underachieving team in baseball the past 2 years.

Oh man, I love this rant so much, especially the ending. You do realize the Jays set club records in players used last season right? of course you didn't. I don't think you know a thing about the Jays. Our fan base appreciates your condescending tone, we really do, but a fan of a team who went how long without a championship is in no position to tell other fans how it is. The Sox stunk for a long, long time, don't forget that.