Dickey seeking 3-yrs, $45M, agent wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded

[Sick Of It All]

Again stats say otherwise and am not a big Pagan fan and he has issues with his baseball IQ as we saw personally. The thing is that even with his mental game being bad, he plays good defense at a premium position and steals bases as well as hit for some pop while he hits for a decent average and walks at an average or slightly above average rate.

[fanofclendennon]

Same with the Dickster…and he was on a bigger scrap heap.

This is true. But when the Pagster wins the outfielder's equivalent of a Cy Young, we'll talk.

[dunbummin]

3-45 is more like it. Laughed my butt off at the reports he was willing to sign for 2/30 or even Ollie money at 3/36.

The man just won a CY and even though he's 37, he's showing no signs of regressing anytime soon.

He'll get 3/45 but not from the Mets which is a shame. That said, he probably just hurt his trade value.

Boo hoo.

CY or not, I think 3/$45 is steep for Dickey. He's 38 and will be 41 in the last year of that extension. The way he throws the knuckler, there is a lot of uncertainty about how well he will hold up. Granted, he's been nothing but great since he put his pen to a Mets contract 3 years ago, but it is hard to look 4 years into the future with much confidence.

I'm surprised they are saying that the years are not the problem and it is just the $. If I were Sandy, I'd be offering him 2 years/$25 million with a 3rd year vesting option at $12.5 million and a $3 million buyout, with incentives for innings pitched and awards, like making the All Star Team, top 10 in CY voting, etc. so that he could earn as much as $15 million a year. That way the contract would actually be 2/$28.

If major league GMs think like you do, he should not have hurt his trade value at all. They may be thinking "Oh wow, I can have a Cy Young Award winner for only $50 million over the next 4 years."

[SILVER SEAVER]

Bye R.A. The Mets won't pay 3/45 even if he won the Cy Young. He is going to be traded. Let's hope the Royals have a change of heart, lose their mind and trade Myers to us for him. Guaranteed they trade Dickey and get garbage in return.

[Claymation]

Bye R.A. The Mets won't pay 3/45 even if he won the Cy Young. He is going to be traded. Let's hope the Royals have a change of heart, lose their mind and trade Myers to us for him. Guaranteed they trade Dickey and get garbage in return.

They just spent money on Wright, and are looking towards the future. If trading Dickey allows the Mets get younger with more diverse talent shouldn't you be for it.

[StoicSentry]

Bye R.A. The Mets won't pay 3/45 even if he won the Cy Young. He is going to be traded. Let's hope the Royals have a change of heart, lose their mind and trade Myers to us for him. Guaranteed they trade Dickey and get garbage in return.

Wait, didn't you say that about Wright, too?

Good omen!

[jomota]

We had a Cy Young winner and came in 4th place. Now we cannot afford to keep him.

So if he would have lost 2-3 more games and he doesn't win the CY, Ollie money of 3/36 is reasonable for a 37 year old? Seems like the team would have been better off if he didn't win the CY.

Dickey wants $45 million for three years. There is a good chance, a real good chance, that he won't even win 45 games during that time. Seems a bit expensive to me.

In many ways $$$$ has ruined the game of baseball.

To borrow from Branch Rickey…We came in fourth with him, we can come in fourth without him.

To us, talking about $45 million is nothing more than a few keystrokes on a keyboard. In reality it is an incredible amount of $$$$. And it is a sports contract which, once signed, is a huge risk for the owner and zero risk for the player.

3/45 is way too much for the situation this team is in and way too much for a 37 year old. If that's what it will take, trade him.

[fanofclendennon]

We had a Cy Young winner and came in 4th place. Now we cannot afford to keep him.

So if he would have lost 2-3 more games and he doesn't win the CY, Ollie money of 3/36 is reasonable for a 37 year old? Seems like the team would have been better off if he didn't win the CY.

Dickey wants $45 million for three years. There is a good chance, a real good chance, that he won't even win 45 games during that time. Seems a bit expensive to me.

In many ways $$$$ has ruined the game of baseball.

To borrow from Branch Rickey…We came in fourth with him, we can come in fourth without him.

To us, talking about $45 million is nothing more than a few keystrokes on a keyboard. In reality it is an incredible amount of $$$$. And it is a sports contract which, once signed, is a huge risk for the owner and zero risk for the player.

3/45 is way too much for the situation this team is in and way too much for a 37 year old. If that's what it will take, trade him.

Branch Rickey's reasoning was arrogant and flawed. Arrogant because he knew Ralph Kiner had no bargaining leverage and that he could trade him for whatever he could get. Flawed because the team's poor play was more indicative of Kiner's 24 teammates than Kiner.

But you knew that.

The mistake many people make when citing Dickey' age is the assumption that he's no different from any other major league veteran pitcher of a similar age. But those guys have logged about a decade and a half of major league pitching stress. Dickey on the other hand has pitched relatively few major league innings for someone his age. Then of course there's the knuckleball.

I understand not wanting to pay $45 million when the rest of the team has so many holes. But in an ideal situation, you load up on pitching as you fill the other holes. That's how championship teams are built.

It will be a shame two years from now when this team is ready to turn the corner that Dickey won't be around to help put them over the top. I concede I'll feel differently if they trade Dickey to bring in players who help them turn the corner.

But i remain skeptical.

[acerimusdux]

Lets assume for a moment you can extend Dickey for 3/$39M. That leaves the difference from Niese over the next 4 years about $20M. To justify that difference, figure Dickey has to put up an ERA or RA9 about 0.45 lower than Niese for that time. If you can keep one or the other (say you have to trade one), which do you keep?

Including any increased risk of injury and declinng performance due to Dickey's age, is it a good bet or bad bet that he'll be able to throw as many innings as Niese at a rate about 0.45 runs per 9 better than Niese?

[YoungStuna28]

There is no way the Mets trade Niese after locking him up to that team-friendly extension. They took a gamble, and so far it looks like its paying off big time.

[fanofclendennon]

Lets assume for a moment you can extend Dickey for 3/$39M. That leaves the difference from Niece over the next 4 years about $20M. To justify that difference, figure Dickey has to put up an ERA or RA9 about 0.45 lower than Niese for that time. If you can keep one or the other (say you have to trade one), which do you keep?

Including any increased risk of injury and declinng performance due to Dickey's age, is it a good bet or bad bet that he'll be able to throw as many innings as Niese at a rate about 0.45 runs per 9 better than Niese?

Which pitcher is more likely to require a Tommy John surgery?

[YoungStuna28]

Which pitcher is more likely to require a Tommy John surgery?

Which pitcher is more likely to sustain any injury?

[YoungStuna28]

Lets assume for a moment you can extend Dickey for 3/$39M. That leaves the difference from Niese over the next 4 years about $20M. To justify that difference, figure Dickey has to put up an ERA or RA9 about 0.45 lower than Niese for that time. If you can keep one or the other (say you have to trade one), which do you keep?

Including any increased risk of injury and declinng performance due to Dickey's age, is it a good bet or bad bet that he'll be able to throw as many innings as Niese at a rate about 0.45 runs per 9 better than Niese?

If the pitcher we saw in 2012 is Niese moving forward, and Dickey regresses to pre-2012 levels, then Niese is the more valuable player for sure.

[Dugmet]

Dickey wants $45 million for three years. There is a good chance, a real good chance, that he won't even win 45 games during that time. Seems a bit expensive to me.

I thought Wins were not a valid means to measure a pitcher's value and performance, correct?

[Dugmet]

Which pitcher is more likely to sustain any injury?

Arm injury? Niese.