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    Going easy on Amar’e, Shumpert

    Going easy on Amar’e, Shumpert
    By BRETT CYRGALIS
    Last Updated: 3:58 AM, December 2, 2012
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    Amar’e Stoudemire took jump shots and participated in dribbling drills, while Iman Shumpert jumped over obstacles and dunked the ball with flair. But yesterday’s workouts for the two injured Knicks did not give them a more definitive date for a return.

    “It’s good to see Amar’e back out dribbling the ball and running a little bit,” coach Mike Woodson said as the Knicks prepared for Sunday’s noon matinee against the Suns at the Garden. “[Shumpert] has basically been doing the conditioning and therapy work he needs to do, but he’s still not ready to play basketball.”



    The last time Stoudemire took the court was for a preseason game in Montreal on Oct. 19, and the team gave him a six-to-eight-week timetable to return following left knee debridement surgery on Nov. 1. Shumpert still is recovering from May surgery to repair a torn ACL in his left knee.

    With the Knicks at 11-4, there is no undue hurry to get either back into the lineup.

    “All we can do it take it a day at a time and patiently wait,” Woodson said. “I don’t think either one of them needs to be rushed at this particular time because it is so early in the season.”

    * Marcus Camby certainly heard the fans at the Garden chanting his name during garbage time of the Knicks’ 108-87 blowout of the Wizards on Friday, and though it didn’t convince Woodson to put Camby in the game, he appreciates it.

    “It’s great to hear 20,000 people chanting like that,” Camby said. “It’s great to hear the Garden faithful behind me.”

    Camby has played in just two of the team’s past six games for a combined 10 minutes. Woodson has said he is concerned about the 38-year-old center’s conditioning in his second tour with the Knicks.When asked three successive questions concerning his lack of playing time, Camby each time responded with the team’s record: “Eleven and four.”

    ***The Knicks came out of Friday’s win averaging the fewest turnovers per game in the NBA (11.40) and fifth in takeaways (16.5).

    “If you take care of the ball and you make teams turn the ball over,” Raymond Felton pointed out, “your percentage of winning is great, without question.”

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    I dont want Shumpert to be more than a foot off the ground until January.

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    ACL injuries are no joke.

    We're doing fine, Shumpert should be held back until he's 100%. It's not worth the risk with a player this young.

    If Amare is back on X-mas, great. If not, that's fine too. No rush right now.

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    Let them take their time and rehab fully. No need for them to rush this. If his ACL is not fully healed, then Iman may feel the effects for a while. Let Iman rest and make a full recovery. Brewer's doing a nice job of filling in for him.

    As for Amar'e, we need to let him also get fully rested and ease him in. We have no idea what role he's going to play for this team. We don't want him to be plugged in immediately only for him to ruin the chemistry we had going. We must find a fitting role for him and ease him back into the thick of things.

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    Any vids on Shump and how he's moving?

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    I dont think shump is gona come back the same....you need your legs consistently to play the kind of defense he plays and I just dont see him being that explosive player anymore....

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    Shump is rehabbing, they are building the strength back in his legs.

    He's basically doing those Sho lin waist high ninja jumps and then dunking to get that explosiveness right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankstheknicks View Post
    I dont think shump is gona come back the same....you need your legs consistently to play the kind of defense he plays and I just dont see him being that explosive player anymore....
    He is not like you or I, he is athlete like few.others. They have the technology they can rebuild him. Stronger and faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankstheknicks View Post
    I dont think shump is gona come back the same....you need your legs consistently to play the kind of defense he plays and I just dont see him being that explosive player anymore....
    Tony Allen went through the same procedure. He has lost some of his high flying ability; however, it hasn't slowed his defense at all.

    Tony Allen
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    Age when you have the procedure is a factor, and Shump was very young. Keep in mind that Crawford was throwing the ball off the backboard and dunking and all other manner of ridiculousness when he was a Knick. The key is the lateral movement. I think we can agree all four of those guys represent the best case scenario. Especially Lowry, that dude is a ball of lightning. One would never believe he once tore his ACL.


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    Ex-Bulls Crawford, Harper know what's in store for Rose
    Both guards recovered from torn ACLs, have no doubt MVP can too
    April 29, 2012|By K.C. Johnson, Chicago Tribune reporter


    At his home in Seattle, Jamal Crawford gasped when he saw Derrick Rose crumple to the ground Saturday afternoon.

    "I told my girlfriend right away, 'That's serious,'" Crawford said by phone on Sunday. "There was nobody around him and you could see the pain he was in. He couldn't control it.

    "He's such a great guy. He's everything that's right with the league. I feel so bad for him. I know that feeling."

    Indeed, close to 11 years have passed since Crawford tore his left ACL and meniscus on July 17, 2001, playing pick-up games with Michael Jordan and other pros at the now-defunct Hoops The Gym on the city's west side.

    "You feel helpless," Crawford said. "Basketball is always an escape. When it's gone, you have so much time to think. I remember reading about other players and almost crying. You go through all these bad thoughts: 'Why did this happen to me?'

    "Then, after surgery, you start rehab and start to see some progressions. You get a little more confident as it goes along. And then the last stage is the mental part: 'Can I still do that move? Can I still do that cut?' The actual leg you injure ends up being stronger than the leg that's not injured. But you don't believe that at first. You're scared. You doubt."

    Three weeks after the injury, Crawford underwent reconstructive surgery in Birmingham, Ala., with noted surgeon James Andrews. Just shy of eight months later, Crawford, wearing a knee brace, posted 10 points and two assists in 15 minutes of the Bulls' loss at New Jersey.

    "I remember that game like it was yesterday, even remember Eddie Robinson's monster dunk," Crawford said. "I knew I was ready. But I was still nervous. There's so much anxiety trying to do it again in games. You haven't played in eight or nine months.

    "During rehab, it's so tough being away from the team. You feel so alone. Derrick has a great family and support system. That definitely helps. You have to lean on them to get through those moments. But even if they come over for a few hours a day, you still have 20, 21 hours by yourself."

    The Bulls pursued Crawford in free agency last summer as one of several top shooting guard possibilities. Coach Tom Thibodeau liked the former Bull enough to call him multiple times, talking buckets at length.

    Crawford is more a jump shooter and doesn't rely on speed and explosiveness as much as Rose does. And all athletes are different. But as the league's Sixth Man of the Year winner in 2010, Crawford is one of many who have rebounded ably from such a devastating injury.

    Ron Harper is another.

    The starting shooting guard on the Bulls' second three-peat teams suffered his injury with the Clippers in January 1990. He disputes the theory it changed his game from a high-flying scorer to a defensive specialist, saying he averaged over 18 points his next four seasons and toned down his offense merely because he later played alongside Jordan and Scottie Pippen.

    "When I went to the hole and took that first hard hit and fell down and my knee felt good, I knew everything was going to be fine," Harper said by phone from New Jersey. "You hear people say, 'He's not going to be the same basketball player. He ain't gonna have that explosion.' The only thing that does is motivate you to work extremely hard.

    "I met this kid and I know how hard of a worker he is. He's going to come back the same player."

    Crawford hopes so. He guarded Rose at times during last season's second-round playoff series when Crawford played for Atlanta and became impressed by his humility and class.

    Crawford's empathy was palpable. He even pointed out he once wore No. 1 for the Bulls.

    "Tell Derrick I never had any residual effects and don't think about it anymore," Crawford said. "Tell him I'm pulling for him."
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankstheknicks View Post
    I dont think shump is gona come back the same....you need your legs consistently to play the kind of defense he plays and I just dont see him being that explosive player anymore....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayweather&NYK View Post
    Adrian Peterson says hi....
    He's the exception, he's looking like he was never injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayweather&NYK View Post
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    I think shump will come back strong but I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back a lesser player then he was last season. I hope he comes back the same way AP came back. It'll be interesting to see how Shump and D.Rose play when their back.

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    ap is not human

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    Quote Originally Posted by meloman1592 View Post
    ap is not human
    Neither is Shump. And people keep leaving Tim Hardawya off the list of guys with acl injury that came back beasting. And its been said already but the way Baron Davis was flying in his career you would never guess he tore his ACL ion College.
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