Usually that term is used for a athlete on the decline or for a elder person who is showing physical concern.
This obviously isn't Dickey at all...He won the Cy Young at 38...
So everyone can stop using the term "aging knuckler"
People on this board should realize that it would be a RARITY if Dickey did not excel into his 40s...because the history of Knuckle ball pitchers show they have extreme longevity...what is so hard to understand?
At age 38, Tim Wakefield went 16-12~4.15 ERA...then at age 41 he went 10-11 with a 4.13 ERA.
At age 38, Phil Niekro went 16-20 with a 4.03 ERA....When he was 45 he went 16-8 with a 3.09 ERA.
History is on Dickeys side...in fact Dickey is a better knuckler then both these guys (see the last 3 years)
Mets will get a great return for Dickey, I can't wait to see what it is. Because I know GMs around baseball are familiar with what I have been saying in this post are not as foolish as the posters here.
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So now it's possible the Mets didn't ask for specific players...Strong interest in Dickey today, but I'm getting pushback from sources on report they asked Bos for specific players. I heard they did not.
Cool your jets Sox fans!!
I am sure the Mets were just gauging interest.
The only reason a team wouldn't want Dickey is if they believe Dickey is worse than what he showed in 2010-2011 never mind 2012. That to me wouldn't make much sense.
I would want Olt, Martin and Guzman from the Rangers for Dickey.
Presenting the 2013 New York Mets Outfield.
And just because he is a knuckleballer doesn't mean he will age like past knuckleballers. You guys are quick to point out how his knuckleball is different (and it is) but you seem to still think he will automatically age like Niekro and Wakefield. Well if the pitch is different with a higher velocity, wouldn't it only make sense that it could potentially age worse as well?
We don't know how Dickey will age. He is good and effective now, and the Mets are wise to try to trade him while they can. But I wouldn't expect a high return for him because there are other pitchers who might not be quite as good as Dickey, that are going to be seen as more valuable because of age.
For example, the Rays will probably get more for Shields if they traded him today, than the Mets would get for Dickey. It's not that Shields is better. But it's two years of control vs one, and Shields is much younger and a more conventional pitcher that is understandable.
I still think some posters get the impression he is that stereotypical Tim Wakefield or Charlie Hough type knuckleballer.
He is not.
Nobody has ever thrown an 80mph knuckleball in major league history.. No One!!
The pitch was unhittable at times last year, the swing and miss % like Stuna mentioned is indicative of a pitcher hitters had a hard time picking the ball up on.
Age is an issue without question but knuckleballers are on a different plane than the stereotypical fastball/curve type pitcher.
Saying that, i think the Rangers are more likely to deal for him (than the Royals, Jays, Red Sox etc etc) based on how close they believe they are to being a potential WS contender and how plentiful their system is.
Last edited by metswon69; 12-03-2012 at 08:48 PM.
Mets would be very smart to do so and trade him.
I think another thing here is that a team can get an ace for much lower than market value contract wise than if they were looking to sign a Greinke.
I know they are different pitchers but Dickey can possibly give a team similar results for half of what Greinke is looking for annually and significantly less years.
Last edited by metswon69; 12-03-2012 at 08:58 PM.
Give Dickey to the Red Sox and get Jarrod Saltalamacchia and leave Thole in the minors until he gets his act together