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    Just my opinion and people are probably gonna go crazy, but I would rather have the less expensive Mike Morse than a very high priced Hamilton. He may not put up the same numbers as Hamilton, but he has the potential to put up some big numbers! But knowing our luck of late, he will probably end up in Tampa or Baltimore and put up 300/35/110 kind of numbers, and we will have Josh Hamilton!

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    I'm not really big on Morse. Maybe it's because I haven't seen to much of him.

    I'm so torn on the Hamilton issue. Mostly because of our lack of success on big name F.A. I like Hamilton alot! He's my favorite player. However Boston isn't in a position to over spend here. Mainly on years. With Hamilton there is great points on both sides.

    Pro's
    One of the best hitters in baseball.
    We need a LH powerbat.
    He can replace David Ortiz in 2 or 3 years as our DH.

    Con's
    Big contract
    low walk rate
    relapse possibilities
    he might not handle the market.

    As for LF Hamilton to me is option B. Option A is a trade. Personally I would like to trade for Alex Gordon over signing Hamilton.

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    @nickcafardo Red Sox didn't like what they saw on Dan Haren's medicals on his hip.
    Last edited by Soxfan85; 12-04-2012 at 01:55 PM.

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    I don't want Hamilton but his walk rate is fine, he just swings at the first pitch too much. He wals around 10% of the time but it could be more like 14% if he didn't go all put on pitch one all of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    When you picked on K/BB, that suggested (to me) that the issue was more around average and OBP. His walk rate, while not encouraging, has been pretty consistent.
    I think his BB% rate is too low overall, and that worries me for the future. If the Mgr says, hey I need you to hit 30-35 HR's a year, you could end up with a guy that has a slash of .265/.305/.505. Everyone will talk about the 32 bombs, but, that OBP makes him on a top 5 budget team a #6 hitter in his prime year and a #7 in an off year (he simply makes too many outs). Also if you look at guys like that closely, they don't often hit well against the top pitchers they face - a bad thing for a playoff team.

    Almost totally OT, but interested in your thoughts (very indirect connection to Middlebrooks' above). I was thinking the other day about whether or not a it would make sense to do a monthly weighted average OPS+ rather than a season-long OPS+. Practically speaking it's probably a weighted average of the sOPS+ numbers from B-R when looking at monthly splits. The rationale would be:
    • Pitchers seem to have an advantage earlier in the season (cold weather).
    • Hitters, especially power hitters, seem to warm up with the weather.
    • Batted balls reportedly carry further in humid weather.
    • September callups can skew numbers.


    Basically my thought was that a weighted average OPS+ would give a more accurate reading for how a player performed against his peers over the course of the season. It would be more important for guys who played only part of a season (e.g., Ellsbury, callups).
    It's a great idea. The problem is to figure out what the numbers are for a given year/league/park and then giving the correct weight to the changes vis themselves and each other.

    In order the generate immediate data on a given season you might be forced to use the default numbers until after the period of time was over, and then readjust.

    If you add in weather that would be carried in the park splits I would think.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    I think his BB% rate is too low overall, and that worries me for the future. If the Mgr says, hey I need you to hit 30-35 HR's a year, you could end up with a guy that has a slash of .265/.305/.505. Everyone will talk about the 32 bombs, but, that OBP makes him on a top 5 budget team a #6 hitter in his prime year and a #7 in an off year (he simply makes too many outs). Also if you look at guys like that closely, they don't often hit well against the top pitchers they face - a bad thing for a playoff team.



    It's a great idea. The problem is to figure out what the numbers are for a given year/league/park and then giving the correct weight to the changes vis themselves and each other.

    In order the generate immediate data on a given season you might be forced to use the default numbers until after the period of time was over, and then readjust.

    If you add in weather that would be carried in the park splits I would think.
    I'm on my phone so I'm not going to look up stats, but just to add to this guys with underachieving BB rates often age pretty poorly. Factor in JHs injuries and addiction issues and there's a ton of risk there.

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    ok...leaving for vacation...and wont be able to keep track on whats going on..but.. i hope when i get back , i find all or half of these have happen.
    1-get hamilton or morse
    2-sign b. wilson
    3-sign 2 starting pitchers
    4-trade aceves and salty
    5= sign s.drew for 1 year with option or trade for tulo/cabera as long it doesnt cost xander/bradley

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    Quote Originally Posted by RATEDR116 View Post
    ok...leaving for vacation...and wont be able to keep track on whats going on..but.. i hope when i get back , i find all or half of these have happen.
    1-get hamilton or morse
    2-sign b. wilson
    3-sign 2 starting pitchers
    4-trade aceves and salty
    5= sign s.drew for 1 year with option or trade for tulo/cabera as long it doesnt cost xander/bradley
    enjoy your vacation

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    Quote Originally Posted by RATEDR116 View Post
    ok...leaving for vacation...and wont be able to keep track on whats going on..but.. i hope when i get back , i find all or half of these have happen.
    1-get hamilton or morse
    2-sign b. wilson
    3-sign 2 starting pitchers
    4-trade aceves and salty
    5= sign s.drew for 1 year with option or trade for tulo/cabera as long it doesnt cost xander/bradley
    Have a fun vacation, I'm afraid I don't see much of this taking place. Salty is my best best.

    I read today that Cabrera will cost 3 top specs and an every day player. They turned down an offer w/ 2 specs in it. We won't make that deal.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RATEDR116 View Post
    ok...leaving for vacation...and wont be able to keep track on whats going on..but.. i hope when i get back , i find all or half of these have happen.
    1-get hamilton or morse
    2-sign b. wilson
    3-sign 2 starting pitchers
    4-trade aceves and salty
    5= sign s.drew for 1 year with option or trade for tulo/cabera as long it doesnt cost xander/bradley
    wat

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    If we're looking for a Lf that will become a DH I'd rather try to trade for Willingham. The twins have an insane amount of promising OF specs like Hicks, Arcia, Buxton, and Casillas. They also aren't going to compete this year. His price may be high but he's a guy that would kill at Fenway and would have sustainable offense if he was a DH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RATEDR116 View Post
    ok...leaving for vacation...and wont be able to keep track on whats going on..but.. i hope when i get back , i find all or half of these have happen.
    1-get hamilton or morse
    2-sign b. wilson
    3-sign 2 starting pitchers
    4-trade aceves and salty
    5= sign s.drew for 1 year with option or trade for tulo/cabera as long it doesnt cost xander/bradley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    wat
    He just snuck that in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic AL View Post
    Stay there. don't come back.
    Why are you rude to everyone?

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    IanMBrowne How would Red Sox fans feel if their beloved Youk winds up with Yankees? Like I felt when Johnny went to Yankees. I'd boo him etc

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