It's semantics and no one plays that game better than Sandy. Outside of hoping a few kids rise up and become stars and maybe some Affordable Place Holders start playing way over their heads or wildly exceeding expectations a la RA Dickey and Scott Hairston, there's little reason to believe this team will ever be good again.
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Possibility No. 2: Dickey for Blue Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia and center fielder Anthony Gose.
The Jays definitely would say “no” to this. They would be trading a combined 10 years of control over Arencibia and Gose — both of whom play premium up-the-middle positions — for one year of Dickey.
Young players such as Gose and the Rangers’ Olt not only are inexpensive, but also offer upside and the possibility of signing club-friendly extensions in the future.
Arencibia, the veteran in the package, still is a year away from arbitration, and under club control through '16. Travis D’Arnaud, a top prospect, eventually will surpass him. But catcher is another position of scarcity — and rising salaries — increasing Arencibia’s value.
Here, perhaps, is a better idea: Dickey for Arencibia, straight up.
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It wouldn't be that far off. I'd probably do something like JPA - Osuna/Nolin- stilson.
Or JPA + 2 other C prospects.
I've said all along this talk of an halladay or cy young package is nuts. His agent and the Mets know what his value is and you can see from the dollar figures being exchanged it's not that of a grienke/Halladay/Cain/etc it's more of an Dan Haren, Anibal Sanchez, Edwin jackson type deal.
If you guys can get more all the more power to you. I'm not going into this discussion hoping the Jays hose you guys thats honestly what I feel dickey is worth.
Last edited by boller4prez; 12-10-2012 at 03:51 PM.
The fact that Arencibia is cheap and an be controlled for a few more years is the only thing he really gives the Mets, because aside from that he is not better than Thole as far as over all production from a catcher goes. So yeah it makes sense to trade Dickey for a guy who at best gives you a minimal upgrade over the guy they currently have who happens to stink.
Who cares how long jpa is under team control??? He's a below average catcher, period. Baxter is controllable, anyone want to trade us a cy young winner for him??
He would probably hesitate at D'Arnaud straight up but at least that's more feasible.
JPA will be 27 in January, even with him being controllable, he is no spring chicken in his development.
Selective quoting from Rosenthal there:
Rosenthal is badly undervaluing Dickey, but lets not make him look even more foolish.Here, perhaps, is a better idea: Dickey for Arencibia, straight up. The Jays obviously are trying to win; otherwise, they would not have made their blockbuster with the Marlins. And while Arencibia has averaged 21.5 homers the past two seasons, his career on-base percentage, in nearly 900 plate appearances, is .275.
Come to think of it, the Mets almost certainly would want more than such a player for a Cy Young winner, which brings us back to something resembling the Arencibia-Gose package.
It seems obvious to me the Mets would rather see another year of Dickey pitching, and maybe lose him for a draft pick, then get only a below average catcher in return.
You can try to make a case for the Arencibia + Gose package, if it were the best offer on the table, but I would personally turn that down as well, and would probably blame JP Ricciardi for it if that deal went through. The Mets front office has already shown signs of a stunning lack of objectivity at times when it comes to players formerly associated with either the Padres or Blue Jays.
Last edited by acerimusdux; 12-11-2012 at 03:54 AM.
If we trade Dickey for Arencibia straight up Sandy should be fired on the spot.
If those are the type of deals being thrown around for Dickey then it's better to re-sign him or get the compensation pick at the end of next season if he walks.
The Mets still have the ability to deal RA in July too, there might be a better individual prospect out there then.