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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Are you arguing Upton vs Ethier?
    ethier vs blow jobs actually.


    also, i remember you were making an argument about buster posey being a below avg fielder, where did you get that information, I'm curious.
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    If he is made available watch Nolan Ryan jump in and take him.

    Profar
    Olt
    Perez

    I have no idea the Rays actual order since Maddon always changes it and its a different animal against the Yankees all the time but I'd imagine it something like this, after the trade

    Jennings CF
    Profar SS
    Longoria 3B
    Zobrist LF
    Joyce RF
    Olt 1B
    Scott DH
    Molina C
    Johnson 2B

    Rotation
    Shields
    Hellickson
    Moore
    Perez
    Cobb
    Last edited by DasBoot; 12-04-2012 at 02:49 AM.

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    DasBoot

    I don't think that olt/profar/perez trade is likely, the rangers seem to be unwilling to trade profar and the rays already have a 3rd basemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasBoot View Post
    If he is made available watch Nolan Ryan jump in and take him.

    Profar
    Olt
    Perez

    I have no idea the Rays actual order since Maddon always changes it and its a different animal against the Yankees all the time but I'd imagine it something like this, after the trade

    Jennings CF
    Profar SS
    Longoria 3B
    Zobrist LF
    Joyce RF
    Olt 1B
    Scott DH
    Molina C
    Johnson 2B

    Rotation
    Shields
    Hellickson
    Moore
    Perez
    Cobb
    The only player of those that three that really make any sense for the Rays would be Profar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post

    also, i remember you were making an argument about buster posey being a below avg fielder, where did you get that information, I'm curious.
    I don't recall ever saying below average.

    He is basically league average right now, and will be above league average next year most likely (as he is still getting better at the position)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    The only player of those that three that really make any sense for the Rays would be Profar.
    who they are hell bent to keep, i don't know why they don't just trade Andrus, and get prospects back.

    I bet they regret locking up kinsler now, hey could have let him walk and gotten a couple draft picks.

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    Ranger could be a fit.

    Olt could move to a corner OF spot.

    Andrus would be an upgrade for TB

    Maybe something like

    Olt, Perez, Andrus, Holland, Guzman


    Presenting the 2013 New York Mets Outfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Blue987 View Post
    lol to all of this. The only thing you seem to have right is that the Rays dont have to trade him right now and I acknowledged that. He will get more and more expensive though once his arbitration really kicks in. Whatever though, it all might be moot if he doesn't get traded anyway this offseason. Your still crazy to think the Dodgers would need to pick up 80 million in salary in that deal or that a right fielder cant be converted into a center fielder for that matter. Its much easier than converting infielders not impossible. They have an open in the outfield, and Lee, Pederson, and Gordon are young and talented prospects so I dont see how you can claim its a worthless trade proposal.
    No, you cant just simply move Ethier into CF, he is no CF. Doesnt matter which is easier (converting IF or OF), you dont go from 1B or 3B to SS either. I never saw the specific proposal in question, but unless Kershaw is a name you forgot to mention, there is no way Lee, Pederson, Gordon and Ethier would get any real interest from the Rays in a Price deal, especially 3 seasons away from FA. That is, of course, just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I don't recall ever saying below average.

    He is basically league average right now, and will be above league average next year most likely (as he is still getting better at the position)
    but where did you find that information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    i never said zobrist was bad, but Longoria makes that offense much better.
    you said that him being gone diminishes zobrist...it doesn't
    Save the kittens, ignore sbs' posts
    Red Sox hater since 10/2011

    It is anyway, not anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    but where did you find that information?
    Fangraphs (Defensive runs saved (UZR is kind of worthless for catchers fwiw)
    baseball-reference has a slew of defensive metrics measured under advanced fielding
    and then fielding bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Fangraphs (Defensive runs saved (UZR is kind of worthless for catchers fwiw)
    baseball-reference has a slew of defensive metrics measured under advanced fielding
    and then fielding bible
    OK thank you, how reliable are advanced catching metrics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    OK thank you, how reliable are advanced catching metrics?
    Hit and miss.


    They have some awesome one's, like catcher framing stats. Those are pretty sound. But I personally think too many catching stats are too variable based on the opponent running game, and that's not always in the catchers control.

    They are 'closeish' but they are not perfect.

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