2012 Free Agent and Trade Ideas Thread 17

[Chi-Town Cubs25]

Comparable stats, maybe. Comparable stuff? Absolutely not. Masterson has considerably more potential so it's not fair to call them similar.

Masterson is older than Wood and has had more seasons. If his stuff hasn't translated to TOR than it probably never will.

[ABE32]

Maybe you should look at the stats. I've already compared the two in previous posts before but you probably know more than me because I bet you're super smart.

Compare what the **** you want if u put masterson and wood on waivers every mlb team would put a claim on masterson...wood not so much. Kobe and john doe have the sams stats as well.

Ohhhh and yeah i am pretty damn smart.

[gaughan333]

Ehhhh...

If that's the best reasoning we can come up with, especially considering how actively Barney is reportedly being shopped, I think I'd rather just go for Ubaldo and hope he can dig up any of what he had for 4+ consecutive seasons that he's only 2 years removed from. He's still only 28 so logic would dictate all that stuff is still buried in there somewhere.

I could be totally off, but didn't Jimenez lose velocity?

[Yagyu+]

I could be totally off, but didn't Jimenez lose velocity?

Yes, he did.

[TooL D/R/T]

Price is reasonably a 5-win pitcher for the remainder of his current contract. Shark could easily be a 3-win pitcher over the same span. Let's not get crazy about how much surplus value is reasonable to give up to likely improve your rotation by a total of six wins over a three year span.

I'm all for moving Shark for price. Shark + Rizzo ++ I'd never do. I'd do Shark +++ for sure. Rizzo I'd need to think long and hard about. Not trying to over value him but he's not just offense or defense. He's both at a power position 24 years old and extremely cheap.

[TooL D/R/T]

Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs in agreement with Japanese closer Kyuji Fujikawa. Rival executives involved in bidding had expected him to go to #Angels.

HOLY ****!! YES, YES, YES!! This is a move we should all be elated for!

[Tryptamine]

I'm all for moving Shark for price. Shark + Rizzo ++ I'd never do. I'd do Shark +++ for sure. Rizzo I'd need to think long and hard about. Not trying to over value him but he's not just offense or defense. He's both at a power position 24 years old and extremely cheap.

Rizzo is 23 and wont be 24 until near the end of the season next year.

[gaughan333]

Yes, he did.

I was unaware things like that were available. Thanks

[gaughan333]

Yeah the signing seems pretty good with what bull pen pitchers are getting in this market.

[deltaclown]

I honestly can't think of two pitchers less similar than Justin Masterson and Travis Wood. Seriously....maybe R.A. Dickey and CC Sabathia? This is tough.

[ABE32]

I honestly can't think of two pitchers less similar than Justin Masterson and Travis Wood. Seriously....maybe R.A. Dickey and CC Sabathia? This is tough.

Agreed and Thank you and jfc... SB is back. That's classic sb right there. Apples meet oranges.

[turnaround3]

Hmm, wasn't aware of the sharp velocity decline for Ubaldo. I mean I figured something was obviously wrong for the past 2 seasons. He's started 30+ both of those last two years though so if it's an injury it must be an underlying one.

Seems odd that a 26, 27, 28 year old would just all of a sudden start tanking in velocity when he should be gearing up to enter his prime. Makes you wonder if Cleveland saw something mechanically midway through 2011 they thought they could fix and maybe just ****ed it up even further.

[TooL D/R/T]

Rizzo is 23 and wont be 24 until near the end of the season next year.

Is he really? My god, didn't realize we were the same age. Yeah, I'm really not sure I could force my self to move him unless it was a straight up deal.

[gaughan333]

I thought velocity peaked around 24/25

[gaughan333]

David Price > Anthony Rizzo