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    Quote Originally Posted by sbrownies View Post
    And he's going to be older sooner than he is going to be younger.
    Aren't we all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi-Town Cubs25 View Post
    I think trading Soriano would lessen Bourn's value. You would be adding a guy that is great at getting on base but subtracting your best run producer. Adding Bourn and trading Soriano would be counter productive.
    About being "great at getting on base." He is at exactly at the league average for his career.... .339. Nothing special at all here. He has been an average player during the prime of his career. His legs are his most important asset, and they are already showing signs of declining. It's just gonna get worse. It would be a horrible move for a re building team to sign this guy.

    So yes, it would be counter productive to sign Bourn and trade Soriano. This team, in the state that it's in, is better off with Soriano than Bourn.

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    League average OBP is not .339. That's about 20 points over league average right now.

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    Levine was on Talking Baseball before yesterday, and he seemed fairly certain that the Cubs would sign Michael Bourn if his price dropped to less than 5/75. Not sure how likely that is to happen though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorGato View Post
    League average OBP is not .339. That's about 20 points over league average right now.
    I know it changes each year, but what site did you find that. I couldn't find something, so I took it from Wiki, which claims it's around .340.

    Either way, I think it would be a mistake to sign Bourn. Also, I don't think .339 is anything special to write home about.

    Ok....I just calculated it the long way. Last year the average team had a .319 OBP. I'm very surprised, because I think that's absolutely awful!!!
    Last edited by thawv; 12-10-2012 at 12:37 PM.

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    The MLB average OBP last season was .319.

    You can find those a lot of places, but here's one:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0

    MLB is in a low-offense period right now, so averages and expectations need to be trending downward.

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    The league OBP for ever season is on BBRef amongst others. The last time league OBP was even above .335 is 2007 and 2006, which are surrounded by .333 and .330.

    The last time it hit .340 or higher was 2000. Didn't hit .340 once in the past 10-11 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    The MLB average OBP last season was .319.

    You can find those a lot of places, but here's one:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0

    MLB is in a low-offense period right now, so averages and expectations need to be trending downward.
    Thanks Kyle. But I'm still amazed that .319 in considered average. To me, that's just horrible! I'm not kidding bro.

    There are 104 players above that line, and quite a few of them I wouldn't consider good players at all.

    As far as Bourn goes.......if I'm gonna even consider the money he's asking, he's gonna have to be in the .370-.380 range. Especially cuz he has no power. I just hope that what Levine says is not true that the Cubs would consider 5/75 for him. I have frickin had it with long contracts on aging players that fall quickly. I'd give him 2/30 to fill in out there until we get out mainstay in CF. Three years from now is when I expect some big time production from our farm, and hopefully some good trades for some young players that we can control. And if that happens, there should be no chance at all that we allow any of our good young players to even get close to their FA year!
    Last edited by thawv; 12-10-2012 at 03:28 PM.

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    I'm guessing the Cubs wouldn't go for Bourn unless he'll settle for less than 5 seasons and they can back-load the deal.

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    I'd front load any deal right now. They have a ton of available $
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    Teams always back-load contracts because:

    1. Salary inflation
    2. If the guy gets injured and retires, you've saved yourself a lot of money
    3. If you trade him and eat some of the contract, you've still saved lots of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaughan333 View Post
    I'd front load any deal right now. They have a ton of available $
    That actually would make the most sense. There is money available now. Plus if you front load it then he might become more tradable later, if it doesn't work out. Maybe something like a 5 year deal giving $21M the next two years and then 11M a year the last 3. Even a little older he would probably be worth the 11M in a few years.

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    The counter to that is that money will be worth less tomorrow due to inflation and you can always add money in on a trade, so i can see the argument both ways. I'd simply do it because they have the money now
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    Quote Originally Posted by terencem View Post
    Teams always back-load contracts because:

    1. Salary inflation
    2. If the guy gets injured and retires, you've saved yourself a lot of money3. If you trade him and eat some of the contract, you've still saved lots of money
    I can only think of one time in the last 10 years who retired with money owed him. I actually forgot his name. He was a guy the Royals outbid the Cubs on the year the Cubs got Lilly. I doubt that is a thought it backloaded contracts.

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    Gil Meche?

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