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    Was Blake Griffin's first season better than his last and this one so far?

    And also, did Baron Davis have better chemistry with him than Chris Paul?

    Granted, I watched him a lot more in his first season, but I've heard a lot while watching games about what he needs to improve and his numbers going down. In his first season it looked like he could be an MVP candidate one day.

    About the Baron Davis/Chris Paul thing, I'm not saying who the better player is. Baron had great chemistry with Griffin, regardless of what you think of him in general. What do you think? I want to know opinions of people who watched a lot from both duos.

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    He was certainly better last year than he was his rookie year, but it wasn't by huge leaps and bounds. So far, this season, he's been a bit of a disappointment (defensively, at least early on, he was playing amazingly well though), but it's still too early. He's not quite playing as big of a role on the offense, so it might take some adjusting.
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    As far as Baron and Blake vs CP3 and Blake, that raises an interesting question. Check out the stats:

    Blake 2011 (With and Without Baron)
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      		GP	MIN	PTS	FGA	FG%	3PA	3P%	FTA	REB	AST	PF	+/-
    On Court	43	1094	22.7	16.7	52%	0.2	50%	8.5	12.2	3.6	2.9	1.2
    On Bench	58	1104	20.7	15.7	50%	0.3	40%	7.9	11.7	3.2	2.8	-3.6
    Overall 	82	3110	21.4	15.9	51%	0.3	29%	8.0	11.4	3.6	2.9	-1.7


    Blake 2012 (With and Without CP3)
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     		GP	MIN	PTS	FGA	FG%	3PA	3P%	FTA	REB	AST	PF	+/-
    On Court	60	1861	20.7	15.5	55%	0.2	9%	7.0	11.0	2.9	3.3	5.8
    On Bench	65	531	20.3	15.1	56%	0.3	20%	7.1	10.2	3.9	2.9	2.4
    Overall		66	2392	20.6	15.4	55%	0.2	13%	7.0	10.8	3.2	3.3	5.0


    On one hand Blake is playing better than he ever has with Baron but that should be expected with his growth as a player. If you look at how they fared in the minutes without those playmakers two things stand out, that Blake has improved his game on his own and that Baron aided Blakes game at a higher level.

    Whereas with CP3 he scores at the same rate regardless and his assist rate raises as well. So hes somewhat inhibited based on those numbers.

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    I think he is the same that he was in rookie year, its just the teams role was changed a bit.

    This guy didn't improve during his 3 years in the league, which is pathetic.

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    On Chris Paul, he slows the game down and runs a methodical offense. The Clippers dropped from 12th to 27th in pace after acquiring CP3.

    This year they are running more and in general I think Blake's numbers will bounce back if he can get healthy. Overall it's unquestionable Griffin has improved, the problem is now he is taking a lot of mid range jumpers and attacking less. While his midrange has been effective (44%) relative to league average (37.7%, it's far less effective than the shots he's been taking the past two years, mostly around the basket.
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    I dont know what to make of him this year, I feel like hes trying harder defensively and hes improving his all-around game but if he doesnt get back to dunking on people then all hope is lost for us. Hes setting everyone up nicely tho

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    I think Blake is rebounding and playing Defense and that's what matters he is a good player but not really a super star.

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    Overrated. All he can do is jump.

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    Blake's overall game has improved, but until he starts attacking hard again, he is not reaching his potential, and the Clips won't be able to stick with the top teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Blake's overall game has improved, but until he starts attacking hard again, he is not reaching his potential, and the Clips won't be able to stick with the top teams.
    Bottom line. Despite what surface stats show Blake has improved every year but as you and Sox said.... bottom line is he's become a jumpshooting big who's not aggressive enough this year. He NEEDS to ATTACK the minute he gets the ball and stop passing so much and hesitating.

    Also to answer the OP YES Baron was a significantly better fit with Blake. Even Billups is more willing to feed Blake and throw risky lobs than CP3 who wants complete control over the ball at all times.

    Blake will be fine but I do agree with the Wolves fans that a Rubio+Blake combo would be absolutely *******. I mean look at what Rubio did with Williams at times.. imagine with Griffin? I'd trade CP3 for Rubio+picks. Also CP3 and Love is a much better fit because he seems to thrive more with dependable shooting bigs who love pick and pop and perimeter shooting.

    CP3 holds Blake back and I've been saying it for the last year. He needs to STOP holding the ball for 20 seconds and feeding the chuckers like Butler+Billups+Crawford and trust his bigs way more. He needs to increase the tempo and throw way more lobs. The alley oop dunks REALLY get our bigs fired up. CP3 seems to trust 5th options like Butler more than his other all star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clippersfan86 View Post
    Bottom line. Despite what surface stats show Blake has improved every year but as you and Sox said.... bottom line is he's become a jumpshooting big who's not aggressive enough this year. He NEEDS to ATTACK the minute he gets the ball and stop passing so much and hesitating.

    Also to answer the OP YES Baron was a significantly better fit with Blake. Even Billups is more willing to feed Blake and throw risky lobs than CP3 who wants complete control over the ball at all times.

    Blake will be fine but I do agree with the Wolves fans that a Rubio+Blake combo would be absolutely *******. I mean look at what Rubio did with Williams at times.. imagine with Griffin? I'd trade CP3 for Rubio+picks. Also CP3 and Love is a much better fit because he seems to thrive more with dependable shooting bigs who love pick and pop and perimeter shooting.

    CP3 holds Blake back and I've been saying it for the last year. He needs to STOP holding the ball for 20 seconds and feeding the chuckers like Butler+Billups+Crawford and trust his bigs way more. He needs to increase the tempo and throw way more lobs. The alley oop dunks REALLY get our bigs fired up. CP3 seems to trust 5th options like Butler more than his other all star.
    Great post. Despite my respect for CP3 as one of the game's true winners and great competitors, I find the clips' style of play to be excruciatingly dull.

    The clippers are winning games, but they're no longer fun to watch. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam View Post
    Great post. Despite my respect for CP3 as one of the game's true winners and great competitors, I find the clips' style of play to be excruciatingly dull.

    The clippers are winning games, but they're no longer fun to watch. Sad.
    I agree. The only excitement I get is when Bledsoe comes into games and our bench starts running fastbreaks with Crawford, Odom, Bledsoe and Barnes. CP3's ball dominance has rendered our bigs far more useless and slows the game down way too much to be enjoyable for me. I'd much rather us have Rondo, Rubio or Westbrook because I don't think the Blake/CP3 thing is suddenly going to click in the future if it hasn't already after more than a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clippersfan86 View Post
    I agree. The only excitement I get is when Bledsoe comes into games and our bench starts running fastbreaks with Crawford, Odom, Bledsoe and Barnes. CP3's ball dominance has rendered our bigs far more useless and slows the game down way too much to be enjoyable for me. I'd much rather us have Rondo, Rubio or Westbrook because I don't think the Blake/CP3 thing is suddenly going to click in the future if it hasn't already after more than a season.
    Why would you rather boost Blakes stats (minuscule gain BTW) than boost the TEAMS stats?

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    Kinda weird that his stats have actually decreased with the addition of CP3, despite his game evolving. Would've expected the opposite.

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    Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blake for Love makes sense for both teams? It'll obviously never happen, but imagine CP3 and Love methodically ripping apart every defense, and how awesome would it be to see Rubio and Blake running up and down the court together for the next decade throwing down awesome alley opps?
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