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    Quote Originally Posted by silrdr06 View Post
    its a low risk high reward for both. Who knows maybe Walden becomes a great BP arm. AND maybe Hanson returns to his rookie form and becomes an ACE. Crazier things have happened. Like someone said earlier this trade will soon be forgotten for the non-factor that it is. People get obsessed with wanting to feel like their teams "won". In reality this will not be known until the end of the season short term and years later long term. So for now lets just say that both teams got something they needed while giving up something they felt they had in abundance. Discussion over.
    Probably the most spot on comment ever on PSD.

    Honestly, I like the Hanson side better, but the Braves must know something that us experts at PSD don't. Odds are it is a non impact deal for both parties, but it can go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    Hell, even if Hanson does get rocked, Walden still sucks.
    show me why he sucks??

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    Quote Originally Posted by beldugo View Post
    show me why he sucks??
    Poor control, they're both injury prone, Walden is a thrower, not a pitcher. Unless he can fix that, he'll get rocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    Poor control, they're both injury prone, Walden is a thrower, not a pitcher. Unless he can fix that, he'll get rocked.
    He has poor control but is not outrageous bad, 4.00 BB/9 in 114.2 innings, his 10.83 K/9 and 2.80 FIP 3.18 xFIP shows you are wrong, he's been a very good reliever, he hasn't fix his control issues and has been very good if he does he could be one of the best relievers in baseball. You say he is a thrower but he's not, 114 career innings shows he can be a pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beldugo View Post
    He has poor control but is not outrageous bad, 4.00 BB/9 in 114.2 innings, his 10.83 K/9 and 2.80 FIP 3.18 xFIP shows you are wrong, he's been a very good reliever, he hasn't fix his control issues and has been very good if he does he could be one of the best relievers in baseball. You say he is a thrower but he's not, 114 career innings shows he can be a pitcher.
    It's important to the Mets fan that a good reliever be bad when he plays for a division rival. JUST ACCEPT IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    It's important to the Mets fan that a good reliever be bad when he plays for a division rival. JUST ACCEPT IT.
    Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmaster52 View Post
    Poor control, they're both injury prone, Walden is a thrower, not a pitcher. Unless he can fix that, he'll get rocked.
    Poor control?

    2.71 K/BB


    Sign me up for someone as poor control

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halladay View Post
    This reminds me of the Jays/Mariners deal from a few years ago, Morrow for League. Can sure turn out ugly dealing the starter for the pen arm. Can easily come back to bite you.
    Except this is based on mechanics.

    It wasn't with Morrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Except this is based on mechanics.

    It wasn't with Morrow.
    I believe Morrow was a reliever with the Mariners at the time of that trade as well. As former very high draft pick (1st round, 5th overall in 2006), the Jays converted him back into a starter at the time of the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtf View Post
    I believe Morrow was a reliever with the Mariners at the time of that trade as well. As former very high draft pick (1st round, 5th overall in 2006), the Jays converted him back into a starter at the time of the deal.
    He was a reliever the majority of the time with the Mariners, but about half way through 2009 he began starting and then was traded that offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iam brett favre View Post
    How convinient for Braves fans that Hanson sucks now. Reverse Matt Kemp effect from a few years ago.
    If you read anything at all these are legitimate concerns we've all had for awhile


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Poor control?

    2.71 K/BB


    Sign me up for someone as poor control
    Strikeout to walk ratio doesn't accurately indicate a pitcher's control. Try walks per 9 innings and walk percentage to get a more accurate representation of a pitcher's control. In this case, Walden had a 4.15 BB/9 ratio and a 10.4 BB%.

    That indicates poor control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianWestKins View Post
    Strikeout to walk ratio doesn't accurately indicate a pitcher's control. Try walks per 9 innings and walk percentage to get a more accurate representation of a pitcher's control. In this case, Walden had a 4.15 BB/9 ratio and a 10.4 BB%.

    That indicates poor control.
    I realize this, the point was that as long as he keeps a ridiculous K rate, his BB rate is just fine in the 3's and 4's.

    If he was striking out 6 per 9 and walking 3 per 9, then it's a different issue, but he is well over that. So control isn't something to really complain about with him at this point.


    But yes, his BB rate is higher than average, but, along with that, so is his K rate.

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    His control seems to be as good as Venters who also has a BB/9 over 4 as well. Walden Ks about one more per 9.

    His xFIP has been a tad higher than Venters though.

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    dont like this from a braves standpoint
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