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    End of the dollar?

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    WASHINGTON (AP) — American consumers have shown about as much appetite for the $1 coin as kids do their spinach. They may not know what's best for them either. Congressional auditors say doing away with dollar bills entirely and replacing them with dollar coins could save taxpayers some $4.4 billion over the next 30 years.
    Vending machine operators have long championed the use of $1 coins because they don't jam the machines, cutting down on repair costs and lost sales. But most people don't seem to like carrying them. In the past five years, the U.S. Mint has produced 2.4 billion Presidential $1 coins. Most are stored by the Federal Reserve, and production was suspended about a year ago.
    The latest projection from the Government Accountability Office on the potential savings from switching to dollar coins entirely comes as lawmakers begin exploring new ways for the government to save money by changing the money itself.
    The Mint is preparing a report for Congress showing how changes in the metal content of coins could save money.
    The last time the government made major metallurgical changes in U.S. coins was nearly 50 years ago when Congress directed the Mint to remove silver from dimes and quarters and to reduce its content in half dollar coins. Now, Congress is looking at new changes in response to rising prices for copper and nickel.
    At a House subcommittee hearing Thursday, the focus was on two approaches:
    —Moving to less expensive combinations of metals like steel, aluminum and zinc.
    —Gradually taking dollar bills out the economy and replacing them with coins.
    The GAO's Lorelei St. James told the House Financial Services panel it would take several years for the benefits of switching from paper bills to dollar coins to catch up with the cost of making the change. Equipment would have to be bought or overhauled and more coins would have to be produced upfront to replace bills as they are taken out of circulation.
    But over the years, the savings would begin to accrue, she said, largely because a $1 coin could stay in circulation for 30 years while paper bills have to be replaced every four or five years on average.
    "We continue to believe that replacing the note with a coin is likely to provide a financial benefit to the government," said St. James, who added that such a change would work only if the note was completely eliminated and the public educated about the benefits of the switch.
    Even the $1 coin's most ardent supporters recognize that they haven't been popular. Philip Diehl, former director of the Mint, said there was a huge demand for the Sacagawea dollar coin when production began in 2001, but as time wore on, people stayed with what they knew best.
    "We've never bitten the bullet to remove the $1 bill as every other Western economy has done," Diehl said. "If you did, it would have the same success the Canadians have had."
    Beverly Lepine, chief operating officer of the Royal Canadian Mint, said her country loves its "Loonie," the nickname for the $1 coin that includes an image of a loon on the back. The switch went over so well that the country also went to a $2 coin called the "Toonie."
    Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., affirmed that Canadians have embraced their dollar coins. "I don't know anyone who would go back to the $1 and $2 bills," he said.
    That sentiment was not shared by some of his fellow subcommittee members when it comes to the U.S. version.
    Rep. Lacy Clay, D-Mo., said men don't like carrying a bunch of coins around in their pocket or in their suits. And Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said the $1 coins have proved too hard to distinguish from quarters.
    "If the people don't want it and they don't want to use it," she said, "why in the world are we even talking about changing it?"
    "It's really a matter of just getting used to it," said Diehl, the former Mint director.
    Several lawmakers were more intrigued with the idea of using different metal combinations in producing coins.
    Rep. Steve Stivers, R-Ohio, said a penny costs more than 2 cents to make and a nickel costs more than 11 cents to make. Moving to multiplated steel for coins would save the government nearly $200 million a year, he said.
    The Mint's report, which is due in mid-December, will detail the results of nearly 18 months of work exploring a variety of new metal compositions and evaluating test coins for attributes as hardness, resistance to wear, availability of raw materials and costs.
    Richard Peterson, the Mint's acting director, declined to give lawmakers a summary of what will be in the report, but he said "several promising alternatives" were found.


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    First off I saw this on drudge and the headline is End of the Dollar? And drudge for some reason has been linking a lot of articles to Alex Jones so I was expecting some gold thing, especially with the picture above the headline that had a greenback with obama's face on it.


    On to the article itself, I dislike the idea of having to carry coins I hate change, but that said I'll get used to it, and saving 4.4 billion is worth it even if it'll take 30 years to save that. It's an easy no brainer to save money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by behindmydesk View Post
    First off I saw this on drudge and the headline is End of the Dollar? And drudge for some reason has been linking a lot of articles to Alex Jones so I was expecting some gold thing, especially with the picture above the headline that had a greenback with obama's face on it.


    On to the article itself, I dislike the idea of having to carry coins I hate change, but that said I'll get used to it, and saving 4.4 billion is worth it even if it'll take 30 years to save that. It's an easy no brainer to save money.
    Linking to Alex Jones with any regularity makes any site not worth my time.

    The replacement of the paper one dollar bill with a coin makes all the sense in the world to me. Frankly, most of my transactions are not made with cash any way.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    Makes sense to me. I hate dollar bills.

    So, what- get rid of the penny, increase production of the dollar coin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernetluver View Post
    Linking to Alex Jones with any regularity makes any site not worth my time.

    The replacement of the paper one dollar bill with a coin makes all the sense in the world to me. Frankly, most of my transactions are not made with cash any way.
    Yea I think i'm an abnormality. I'm always using cash and carrying it. I feel naked without it. But almost everyone one of my friends carries little cash. Wife sometimes has 20 bucks on her, it boggles my mind because I tell her what if you get in a jam and your car breaks down and they don't take amex or a debit card. She likes it to keep track of her transactions. Me I just kind of estimate what I spend on so when this goes threw I'll hate it but i'll understand


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    We have dollar coins in canada. Its not really a hassle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    Makes sense to me. I hate dollar bills.

    So, what- get rid of the penny, increase production of the dollar coin?
    the penny and the nickel, in january.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    the penny and the nickel, in january.
    good. I****ing hate pennies, and nickels. And we ahve been producing them at a loss for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakeyFool View Post
    We have dollar coins in canada. Its not really a hassle
    When I went to Detroit East otherwise known as Windsor I thought the dollar coins were a huge pain in the rear. I'm sure we'd all get used to it though.


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    Hard money is always better than paper money.

    But I'm willing to bet this will be done as the nickel and penny are removed from circulation.

    I think the message being sent is a dollar isn't worth printing anymore because it's basically worthless.

    I suspect if we stay on this standard we'll eventually end up with 5$ coins as well... all our smaller bills are becoming worthless in terms of purchasing power so we've got to start treating them like loose change.
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    What about the true victims if we would get rid of the dollar bill... The strippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    What about the true victims if we would get rid of the dollar bill... The strippers.
    You can still give them that dollar.

    But in all seriousness, I don't carry around cash any more so I could care less whether we have a dollar coin or paper dollar. I have a small reserve in a couple spots (hidden in my car, house, etc.) in case I need to buy something somewhere that they can't/won't process credit cards. But there is no cash in my wallet and anywhere that I use on a daily basis.
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