I'm talking about having them ranked according to their overall package. Offense + Fielding. Forget pitching for a sec. The purpose of this is to determine who has best positional effectiveness and consequentially the better lineup overall. This is how the lineups shake out for me, barring further moves.
C: 1. Weiters 2. JPA (upside is much greater than >) 3. Salty 4. Molina
TBD: NY. Martin/replacement
1B: 1. Encarnacion (if he repeats) 2. Teixeira 3. Reynolds 4. Gomez
TBD: Boston's upgrade, TB's fill in
DH. 1. Ortiz 2. Davis 3. Lind 4. Scott
TBD: [NYY hired bat]
I know, I know. It's a little early for this. Obviously NY will fill holes, Boston can upgrade @ 1B/OF, and everyone except us and Tampa may play for Josh Hamilton. Where do you guys think I'm wrong on this list? Who do you think will break out and change up these rankings? Do you think D'Arnaud or other prospects will slip in? Where do you think the other teams will upgrade, and who will they go after? BEGIN!
Gardner moving to CF puts him at the top of that list for me. If Granderson's in right I could find reason to have him anywhere from 2nd to 5th, in left he's probably 1st/2nd. Also, I'm not sure anyone considers Roberts an everyday player anymore, they're looking for a second baseman. Otherwise those seem about right. Not sure exactly how much any of this tells you about who has the best lineup, but the rankings are sound.
Pretty sure Alex Rodriguez is not the worst third baseman in the east. IMO second behing Longo.
BTW sweet sig.... can i borrow that for my facebook cover?
Haha yea sure can take it. The work's a little rough but I'll make a better one once Jose and Melky are on the field with Jays jerseys.
And I'm just making a confident prediction about Arod. Just like 2009mvp saying Gardner will be the best CF of the bunch. I strongly believe Arod will regress. This guy will be coaxed outta NY. Just a few years ago, many thought he could have broke Bonds' record. That's pretty much outta the question now. He's gotta mashed up persona (roids), and his approach at the plate is just not working anymore. He will fade.
This actually makes me worry, never realized how many good players there are in the division, But if the Jays rank first in 3/9 positions while having maybe the second best rotation theyll be in great position to make the playoffs
C: 1. Weiters 2. Salty 3. JPA 4. Molina
TBD: NY. Martin replacement. Salty has better numbers and better D than JPA, and he's only 7 months older.
1B: 1. Teixeira 2. Encarnacion 3. Davis 4. Gomez
TBD: Boston's upgrade, TB's fill in. The battle for first is really close. I put Teixeira ahead because I think Teixeira will up his numbers and be back in ~.870OPS territory)
2B: 1. Cano 2. Pedroia 3. Izturis/Bonafacio 4. Ryan Roberts/Sean Rodriguez/Fontenot 5. Casilla
TBD: Possible BAL upgrade
SS: 1. Reyes 2. Zobrist 3. Jeter 4. Hardy 5. Iglesias
TBD: Possible Boston upgrade (maybe Asdrubal Cabrera)
3B. 1. Longoria 2. Lawrie 3. Rodriguez/Chavez 4. Middlebrooks 5. Machado
(3-4 is close, but Middlebrooks has proven almost nothing, and A-Rod as a .783OPS 3B is still decent. Plus Chavez was great as well. And Machado has proven ABSOLUTELY nothing, dude's OPS will be around .750)
CF. 1. Ellsbury 2. Jones 3. Jennings 4. Gardner 5. Rasmus
Gardner takes over for Granderson cuz Grandy can't play CF anymore
LF. 1. Cabrera 2. Reimold 4. Nava/Kalish/Sweeney 5. Fuld/Guyer
TBD: Possible upgrades for every team except TOR, maybe Hamilton to BAL
DH. 1. Ortiz 2. Lind 3. Reynolds? (likely non-tendered) 4. A-Rod (part-time)
TBD: TB and NYY replacements, probable Baltimore replacement as well
The main thing to note here is that the Red Sox and Yankees are quiet. While the Yanks are close to maxed out, the Red Sox just finished dumping something like 80M in salary, so they've got money to BURN. They're not looking at long-term contracts, but expect them to sign 1-or-2 players on short-term deals. My guess is at least a Cody Ross, Nick Swisher or Shane Victorino and a Mike Napoli or Adam Laroche for depth at 1B and OF, to help ease Kalish, Lavarnway and Nava into their roles. I see them making a deal for Asdrubal Cabrera as well maybe using Nava and a pitcher like Doubront, and signing Anibal Sanchez and Ryan Dempster to fill the rotation.
The Rays also have the means to add a couple free agent bats for their OF/DH/1B situation, and the prospects as well. Wil Myers or Justin Upton might very well be in the Rays outfield to start 2013.
Last edited by jaysfan4ever; 11-30-2012 at 07:21 AM.
IMO, it is undisputable that jones is the best cf in this division
Really? because Ellsbury makes a pretty damn good case when he's healthy. We're talking about a guy who put a 8 WAR in 2011(Jones has put up 8.3 over the last 3 years combined). 32 Home runs, a .928 OPS. Has stolen 70 bases in the past and could certainly do it again. It certainly can be disputed.
Ellsbury is less than 2 years older than Jones so I'm not sure that angle totally works. Nonetheless, the guys playing for a contract too. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see another big season from him then he'll be looking for a $100 million.
Something tells me Ellsbury was taking some performance enhancing drugs in 2011...his power numbers looked way too skewed compared to his career average -- hey if people say Jose is on them, we can lay claim to another player