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    Rivera's "close" games record

    I'm sure we all read this article too.

    I had been intending to do something like this for a while, but I'd get started, realize it was 1am and I need to work in the morning, and continually never get around to finishing. But someone else has. And I couldn't agree more. I've been really suspicious of this stat since Joe Person and others started throwing it around, and it's nice to see those suspicions are well-founded.

    I have another list going, this one taking a look at the turning points in each game where it's been close in the fourth quarter, to see exactly what the cause of our epic collapses are. Maybe someone else will beat me to that list as well.

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    The fact of the matter is, this team lacks killer instinct. It should be obvious to anyone who has watched them this year. Rivera should be gone, no bones about it. He has shown nothing as a HC, and there are too many better options out there to let him stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    So it's official.

    This jerk off is going to be the first QB taken in the first round (or maybe the first 5) in the modern era to throw less than 300 passes at DI level. and he might go #1 overall.


    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Nfl scouting is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    The fact of the matter is, this team lacks killer instinct. It should be obvious to anyone who has watched them this year. Rivera should be gone, no bones about it. He has shown nothing as a HC, and there are too many better options out there to let him stay.
    No doubt that this team has not put anyone away. I put more on Chud than Rivera, honestly, but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.E.PanthersFan View Post
    No doubt that this team has not put anyone away. I put more on Chud than Rivera, honestly, but that's just me.
    You put it on Chud because you don't want to put it on Rivera, or what? The HC has to be held responsible for the mentality of the team, and this team has the mentality of a bunch of losers.
    On Cam Newton:

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    So it's official.

    This jerk off is going to be the first QB taken in the first round (or maybe the first 5) in the modern era to throw less than 300 passes at DI level. and he might go #1 overall.


    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Nfl scouting is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    You put it on Chud because you don't want to put it on Rivera, or what? The HC has to be held responsible for the mentality of the team, and this team has the mentality of a bunch of losers.
    All three coaches have lost games this season and all three coaches have shown many flaws.

    Rivera- Doesn't know how to control the game. Has losing mentality. Has shown he can't make proper decisions (when to go for it on 4th for example).

    Chud- can't call an NFL run play to save his life. Had a pretty sound offensive gameplan last year, but for whatever reason changed it this year. Overall questionable play-calling at horrible moments.

    McDermott- Doesn't know how to close a game. If the DL doesn't perform at a high level the overall defense will fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    All three coaches have lost games this season and all three coaches have shown many flaws.

    Rivera- Doesn't know how to control the game. Has losing mentality. Has shown he can't make proper decisions (when to go for it on 4th for example).

    Chud- can't call an NFL run play to save his life. Had a pretty sound offensive gameplan last year, but for whatever reason changed it this year. Overall questionable play-calling at horrible moments.

    McDermott- Doesn't know how to close a game. If the DL doesn't perform at a high level the overall defense will fail.
    If an entire unit of a defense doesn't perform at a high level, yeah, probably likely that the whole thing is going to fail in the NFL. Not sure why you think it's a big deal for a defense to not be good when the DL doesn't function at a high level. That's how the NFL goes, you either work at all three levels, or you get beat defensively. I don't really understand what you would like to see more out of McDermott. More blitzes that will get our terrible secondary carved up? He's doing the best he can with the talent he has right now.
    On Cam Newton:

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    So it's official.

    This jerk off is going to be the first QB taken in the first round (or maybe the first 5) in the modern era to throw less than 300 passes at DI level. and he might go #1 overall.


    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Nfl scouting is a joke.

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    Fua is horrible! GARBAGE! Always getting handled by average O linemen. Ron Edwards will be missed greatly. I'll say this about Ron Edwards though, He better take a pay cut to return next year after two seasons on the IR. D. Edwards has been the best pick up for us IMO up to this point. I hope we resign him to a multi year deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killakatsfan View Post
    Fua is horrible! GARBAGE! Always getting handled by average O linemen. Ron Edwards will be missed greatly. I'll say this about Ron Edwards though, He better take a pay cut to return next year after two seasons on the IR. D. Edwards has been the best pick up for us IMO up to this point. I hope we resign him to a multi year deal.
    Ron is about to find himself in quite a nice situation if we don't draft a stud DT with our first pick. This game shows exactly what will happen if we lose the presence of a competent NT in the defense. I was thinking he'd have to take a pay-cut based on the injury, but if we play like slop we'll HAVE to keep him or sign a FA.

    I love the Dwan Edwards pick-up, but he's going to be 32 before next season starts. No way I want him signed to a big/long deal. I'd like to see a cheap 3-year deal or a 2-year deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Ron is about to find himself in quite a nice situation if we don't draft a stud DT with our first pick. This game shows exactly what will happen if we lose the presence of a competent NT in the defense. I was thinking he'd have to take a pay-cut based on the injury, but if we play like slop we'll HAVE to keep him or sign a FA.

    I love the Dwan Edwards pick-up, but he's going to be 32 before next season starts. No way I want him signed to a big/long deal. I'd like to see a cheap 3-year deal or a 2-year deal.
    Dwan Edwards is younger than Ron Edwards and is every bit as essentially to this D-line as Ron. Losing either without drafting his replacement could be disastrous. I would give them both extensions AND draft a NT in the first or second round. Obviously, we can't afford too much, but we should be able to afford something reasonable for both.

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    Today proves that Edwards is top 3 among the most important players on the defense this year.
    On Cam Newton:

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    So it's official.

    This jerk off is going to be the first QB taken in the first round (or maybe the first 5) in the modern era to throw less than 300 passes at DI level. and he might go #1 overall.


    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Nfl scouting is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.E.PanthersFan View Post
    Dwan Edwards is younger than Ron Edwards and is every bit as essentially to this D-line as Ron. Losing either without drafting his replacement could be disastrous. I would give them both extensions AND draft a NT in the first or second round. Obviously, we can't afford too much, but we should be able to afford something reasonable for both.
    No way Ron gets an extension. He still has another year on his contract. At his age (and injury status), the only thing he should get is a pay-cut. We can talk about an extension after next year is over. Dwan has done a stellar job this season, but I wouldn't say he's irreplaceable or anything. I'd love to see him re-signed, but we all know how this team is with overpaying it's players.

    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Today proves that Edwards is top 3 among the most important players on the defense this year.
    100% agree here, but I just hope he's willing to take a pay-cut. Even if we do draft a NT in the draft, I'd like to keep Ron if possible.


    If we can get Ron, Beason, Gamble, Gross, or maybe even Smitty to take cuts we would be in fine position to get a difference maker in FA + sign Dwan to a 3 year deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    No way Ron gets an extension. He still has another year on his contract. At his age (and injury status), the only thing he should get is a pay-cut. We can talk about an extension after next year is over. Dwan has done a stellar job this season, but I wouldn't say he's irreplaceable or anything. I'd love to see him re-signed, but we all know how this team is with overpaying it's players.
    Derp. Thought Ron Edwards was a free agent after this year. My mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    If we can get Ron, Beason, Gamble, Gross, or maybe even Smitty to take cuts we would be in fine position to get a difference maker in FA + sign Dwan to a 3 year deal.
    I hope this happens. I stand by my assertion that we're not many pieces away from being very competitive -- I think we're closer this year than the Bucs were last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.E.PanthersFan View Post
    Derp. Thought Ron Edwards was a free agent after this year. My mistake.
    Yeah, thankfully the only huge FA's we had leading into next year were Jonathan Stewart and Jeff Otah, who are not longer an issue (Stewart re-signed, Otah cut).

    I hope this happens. I stand by my assertion that we're not many pieces away from being very competitive -- I think we're closer this year than the Bucs were last year.
    I'm really not one to get hyped about FA's or even want them tbh, but I would almost kill for Dwayne Bowe to be on this team. I don't think he's a top 5 WR or anything, but he's a huge target that would really help this team. With Bowe, we could also finally have Smitty in single coverage at some points.

    Long is another obvious desire, but like Bowe, highly unlikely to fall in our lap (or even leave his own team). Long would help us avoid spending a high pick on an OT in the draft and also help us plan for the future since Gross is getting older.

    The only other FA I currently want (I don't know the complete list or anything) is FS Jarius Byrd. He's an absolute ball-hawk and an obvious upgrade over what we have. He's better at defending the pass than Martin and better at defending the run than Nakamura. Would be a huge upgrade for our pass-defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I'm really not one to get hyped about FA's or even want them tbh, but I would almost kill for Dwayne Bowe to be on this team. I don't think he's a top 5 WR or anything, but he's a huge target that would really help this team. With Bowe, we could also finally have Smitty in single coverage at some points.

    Long is another obvious desire, but like Bowe, highly unlikely to fall in our lap (or even leave his own team). Long would help us avoid spending a high pick on an OT in the draft and also help us plan for the future since Gross is getting older.

    The only other FA I currently want (I don't know the complete list or anything) is FS Jarius Byrd. He's an absolute ball-hawk and an obvious upgrade over what we have. He's better at defending the pass than Martin and better at defending the run than Nakamura. Would be a huge upgrade for our pass-defense.
    You guys know I typically don't get worked up about FAs. In fact, I'm pretty much always against them. I think my perspective is changing a little bit though, given our limited success in the draft. If what you're saying about Byrd is correct, I wouldn't mind bringing him in. I'd really like to see what Gettis buys us offensively, but LaFell has shown that he's not drawing attention away from anyone, even though he's an effective WR2 or WR3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Yeah, thankfully the only huge FA's we had leading into next year were Jonathan Stewart and Jeff Otah, who are not longer an issue (Stewart re-signed, Otah cut).



    I'm really not one to get hyped about FA's or even want them tbh, but I would almost kill for Dwayne Bowe to be on this team. I don't think he's a top 5 WR or anything, but he's a huge target that would really help this team. With Bowe, we could also finally have Smitty in single coverage at some points.

    Long is another obvious desire, but like Bowe, highly unlikely to fall in our lap (or even leave his own team). Long would help us avoid spending a high pick on an OT in the draft and also help us plan for the future since Gross is getting older.

    The only other FA I currently want (I don't know the complete list or anything) is FS Jarius Byrd. He's an absolute ball-hawk and an obvious upgrade over what we have. He's better at defending the pass than Martin and better at defending the run than Nakamura. Would be a huge upgrade for our pass-defense.
    Well, Long has been placed on IR for the second season in a row for a torn tricep (last year it was a bicep). I don't believe I care for Carolina to pursue him at this point. He was struggling a lot this season, but that + injuries + the risk of him busting after a huge contract = no sale for me.

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