My comments on Rondo back in 2008-2010:
Yeah I like the list that has Rondo at #11. Between guys failing due to age and Rondo's development, a year from today he might make #6. I think the offense is being overly emphasized as usual in these things.
Have you read up on his defensive ratings? http://www.basketball-reference.com/...rondora01.html
He's rated at #3 in defensive win shares and defensive rating.
His FG is also at .514, which is pretty high for a guard that can't shoot.
He won't be 23 years old until Feb and is by far the best dollar for dollar player on any of these lists. I'm glad we have him.
anyone that says Nash or Kidd is better then Rondo hasn't seen them head to head lately, Rondo owns them.
Rondo is probably in the #7-#9 range, and given his age, that's pretty fancy stuff.
Well, I watch them a lot and Rondo is better then Pierce this year
3/22/10: (Rondo v Rose discussions)
Rondo is better at: steals, rebounds, general defense, and assists. He's brutal at the line, and hits the shorter FG's pretty well, but if he's taking the last shot with 2 seconds left in a tie game, it's a broken play.
Rose is a better shooter, better scorer, is learning to play the point.
Rondo is a more unusual player, and better pure PG at this time. Rose isn't such a pure PG, and has more comps - if that matters.
I don't watch the Bulls enough to know if Rondo would be better there then Rose, but for Celts he's better then Rose would be.
Not everyone is a fit everywhere guys. I'm glad you like your respective players, now, let's move on.
The last note is if Rondo gets his FT% up to over 72.5%, and is able to get comfortable with 16-18 foot shots and maintain the FG%, there is almost no way Rose will match him as a complete player, because he doesn't dig down as deep for it as Rondo - that's a fact.
I remember around December or so I was talking on one of the main boards about Rondo and said that he was about 25% of the way into a HOF career, and that he was a #4-#8 PG, and I took a lot of crap for it.
Nobody should be laughing anymore.
6/3/10: (in answer to the question: is Rondo headed for the Celts all time big 3):
I'll go this far:
Rondo is about 23% of the way to the HOF. He needs to stay healthy, and and he has to remain productive after the big 3 are done.
As for top 3 in Celtics history? He's got to get by Jo Jo and DJ before he cracks the top 10. One thing at a time.
I think for many of you Magic's comments went over your head. He means it in the way someone says a baseball player is a 5 tools player. If you rate all these guys across the board, Rondo is very strong because of the D, the passing (not a good passer? That's just plain blind), the rebounds, etc. His foul shooting is weak, but his jumper is rapidly improving. And do get a look at his age - 24 1/3 years old.
Meanwhile, while Nash has been great, Rondo kills him head to head, go look up the match-ups the past two years.
Meanwhile the other top PG's in the league are all much more deadly shooting the ball, and even for a PG that's huge, but all around, they are not. Sort of like 50 HR hitters that don't run the bases well, or have a good arm in the OF. It's not as important as the HR's, but, it raises Rondo up, and cuts some of those guys down a bit.
Something went wrong with Rondo's leg, and he still isn't the same since the first 3 games of the Orlando Series, if he starts to play like that again in this Series, hoist the flag.
Meanwhile I said in the winter that Rondo was 25% of his way to the HOF, and got whacked on PSD, well he's about 29% now, and if he leads the way to a victory in this Series and gets the MVP, make it about 32%. He's also signed up for years at a non max contract, fans of DW and these others candidates for #1 PG can't say that. Rondo >>> them in price/performance.
Who cares if he is the best, for the Celts he is the best, and his rate of improvement since his first game in the NBA to today (just short of 4 years) rivals or tops any PG of all time, never mind the guys playing today under discussion.
6/28/10: (trade Rondo for the likes of Camby idea):
Camby is young talent?
Training a guy to know when to pass, how to pass it, and to whom at NBA speed is a rare talent - check
getting a small, slightly built guy that has the ability to see rebounds, and the nose to go and get them - rare talent - check
a nose for playing big against great players and in the playoffs? Rare skill - check
quickness of mind, hand, and foot at such a high level that he's one of the best defensive guards in the NBA - rare skill - check
team leader with 3 elder HOF players surrounding him? Unusual.
All of the above and more at the tender age of 24 years and 4 months - and you want to move him when his biggest problem is shooting at the foul line - a skill that you could teach an average x high school athlete (non basketball) in a few weeks so that 25% or better would be 60% or better at the line? One of the easiest skills to learn for a lay person? He doesn't have the hand size problem of a Wilt or a Shaq, he's too damn mecurial, he needs to learn to breathe and focus better - which could be this off season - and get himself to the 68-69% range.
I might deal him, for say a 23 year old KG, Bird, McHale, Cowens, Parish, but for fractional pieces? Nuh unh. Take a look at this contract, it's one of the best mid 20's deals any team has on a near superstar or better - that alone almost bars any deal unless they are handing over huge.
I lost my passion for Rondo due to the 14 games siesta/pout fest he pulled off over the Perkins deal. That's when I started to dig up the dirt and see for my self that he would likely never grow into a leadership role here, or gain the consistency in effort and results needed to be a great/superstar level player.
I also lost my respect for Rondo as a player when his two seasons in 2010-2012 turned out to be so much weaker then 2008-2010. Between his play the last 20 games of last year plus the playoffs, and early this I had hopes he'd be able to regain what he had lost.
I don't trust him to realize the potential I saw in him.