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    Amar'e OK with sixth-man role

    Just seen this, not sure if its been posted.

    Sorry, link only. I'm on mobile. If somebody can quote the story.

    Amar'e Stoudemire would accept a role as the New York Knicks' sixth man if asked of him, two sources with knowledge of Stoudemire's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com.

    "All he cares about right now is helping the team and winning," one source, who has been around Stoudemire regularly in recent weeks, said. "He'd be fine with coming off the bench if that's what they want."

    Stoudemire hasn't spoken with reporters since suffering a left knee injury in the preseason. He's been rehabilitating his knee following arthroscopic surgery for the past four weeks and is expected to miss at least another two weeks.

    There has been speculation about what role Stoudemire will play once he returns.

    Many believe Stoudemire would be a better fit coming off the bench for coach Mike Woodson's team. Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony have had a tough time developing cohesion on offense -- the Knicks have a losing record while the two stars are in the same starting lineup.

    Both Anthony and Stoudemire are effective operating in isolation around the elbow, which is just one reason why they haven't had success while sharing the floor together.

    Additionally, Stoudemire and Knicks starting center Tyson Chandler are seen by some as a bad match when paired together.

    Chandler is the Knicks' primary screener on the pick-and-roll, a role Stoudemire has thrived throughout his career.

    Woodson has been evasive when asked about Stoudemire's role once he returns. Woodson has said in the past his players wouldn't lose their starting roles because of injury. But Woodson also hasn't committed to re-inserting Stoudemire into the starting lineup.

    "I'm going to address that when we get to that point," Woodson said last week. "Right now, I'm just taking it a day at a time and work the guys we have in uniform."

    A source close to Stoudemire who has visited with the veteran power forward recently said Stoudemire wants to help the Knicks, who were 9-4 entering play Wednesday, and doesn't want to affect any chemistry the team has established.

    "He just wants to win," the source says. "He sees how well they're playing and just wants to help. He'll be fine with whatever they want to do."

    Woodson may choose to bring Stoudemire off the bench initially to help him work his way back into game shape. One league source says the Knicks are hesitant to take Jason Kidd out of the starting lineup to make room for Stoudemire.

    Stoudemire, a 10-year veteran, is coming off a down year in which he averaged 17.5 points and 7.9 rebounds per game -- the lowest full-season totals since his rookie season.

    He worked diligently over the summer to regain his form, spending time with Hakeem Olajuwon to incorporate post moves into his offensive repertoire. Stoudemire was confident in the preseason he could bounce back this season. But he suffered a knee injury that originally was thought to be a bone bruise, but later diagnosed as a ruptured cyst in his left knee.

    Stoudemire's left knee has been an issue in the past. He underwent microfracture surgery in October 2005, but bounced back well from the procedure.

    One NBA team doctor told ESPNNewYork.com that Stoudemire was the best example of a player regaining his form after microfracture surgery.

    Still, the procedure can be a red flag for teams. Stoudemire's contract with the Knicks -- five years, $100 million -- is uninsured because of his history of knee issues.

    Ian Begley is a regular contributor to ESPNNewYork.com.
    http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=8688804
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    Amar'e Stoudemire would accept a role as the New York Knicks' sixth man if asked of him, two sources with knowledge of Stoudemire's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com.

    "All he cares about right now is helping the team and winning," one source, who has been around Stoudemire regularly in recent weeks, said. "He'd be fine with coming off the bench if that's what they want."

    Stoudemire hasn't spoken with reporters since suffering a left knee injury in the preseason. He's been rehabilitating his knee following arthroscopic surgery for the past four weeks and is expected to miss at least another two weeks.

    There has been speculation about what role Stoudemire will play once he returns.

    Many believe Stoudemire would be a better fit coming off the bench for coach Mike Woodson's team. Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony have had a tough time developing cohesion on offense -- the Knicks have a losing record while the two stars are in the same starting lineup.

    Both Anthony and Stoudemire are effective operating in isolation around the elbow, which is just one reason why they haven't had success while sharing the floor together.

    Additionally, Stoudemire and Knicks starting center Tyson Chandler are seen by some as a bad match when paired together.

    Chandler is the Knicks' primary screener on the pick-and-roll, a role Stoudemire has thrived throughout his career.

    Woodson has been evasive when asked about Stoudemire's role once he returns. Woodson has said in the past his players wouldn't lose their starting roles because of injury. But Woodson also hasn't committed to re-inserting Stoudemire into the starting lineup.

    "I'm going to address that when we get to that point," Woodson said last week. "Right now, I'm just taking it a day at a time and work the guys we have in uniform."

    A source close to Stoudemire who has visited with the veteran power forward recently said Stoudemire wants to help the Knicks, who were 9-4 entering play Wednesday, and doesn't want to affect any chemistry the team has established.

    "He just wants to win," the source says. "He sees how well they're playing and just wants to help. He'll be fine with whatever they want to do."

    Woodson may choose to bring Stoudemire off the bench initially to help him work his way back into game shape. One league source says the Knicks are hesitant to take Jason Kidd out of the starting lineup to make room for Stoudemire.

    Stoudemire, a 10-year veteran, is coming off a down year in which he averaged 17.5 points and 7.9 rebounds per game -- the lowest full-season totals since his rookie season.

    He worked diligently over the summer to regain his form, spending time with Hakeem Olajuwon to incorporate post moves into his offensive repertoire. Stoudemire was confident in the preseason he could bounce back this season. But he suffered a knee injury that originally was thought to be a bone bruise, but later diagnosed as a ruptured cyst in his left knee.

    Stoudemire's left knee has been an issue in the past. He underwent microfracture surgery in October 2005, but bounced back well from the procedure.

    One NBA team doctor told ESPNNewYork.com that Stoudemire was the best example of a player regaining his form after microfracture surgery.

    Still, the procedure can be a red flag for teams. Stoudemire's contract with the Knicks -- five years, $100 million -- is uninsured because of his history of knee issues.

    Ian Begley is a regular contributor to ESPNNewYork.com.

    I think IF TRUE then trading Stat isn't going to be our concern. Because him coming off the bench is the best thing that can happen to this franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OG "Dee" LOCc View Post
    I think IF TRUE then trading Stat isn't going to be our concern. Because him coming off the bench is the best thing that can happen to this franchise.
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    Manu's coming off the bench


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    Because when your max player is reduced to a shell of his former self the last thing you want to do is have him thing he's still an all-star that can put up 30 points a game. If Amar'e is good with coming off the bench, if he can accept the fact that he will be a role-player, then that will give us the best shot at winning a championship THIS YEAR. And, you know what, if we invested 100$ million on him, and he helps us win a ring, then yeah...its the best thing that is possible right now.

    We already signed that contract. We're going to pay Amar'e. If he can put aside his ego and help us win, whether he deserves the contract or not if we're winning no one will really care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OG "Dee" LOCc View Post
    Because when your max player is reduced to a shell of his former self the last thing you want to do is have him thing he's still an all-star that can put up 30 points a game. If Amar'e is good with coming off the bench, if he can accept the fact that he will be a role-player, then that will give us the best shot at winning a championship THIS YEAR. And, you know what, if we invested 100$ million on him, and he helps us win a ring, then yeah...its the best thing that is possible right now.

    We already signed that contract. We're going to pay Amar'e. If he can put aside his ego and help us win, whether he deserves the contract or not if we're winning no one will really care.
    People just won't let up with the 'Amare's a shell of himself' comments.

    What gives you that indication?

    He was awesome year one. He made the All-NBA 2nd Team for the Knicks, TWO YEARS AGO. Everyone sucked last year in a shortened year and we had literally four different lineups for significant stretches. Melo sucked last year. He shot 43% and averaging a little over 22. It's just been injuries with Amare.

    There's no indication his SKILLS are diminishing. He had major hops in the Toronto preseason game.

    Melo/Amare were FINE with Billups as a point guard, everyone just wants to ignore that and let the media hype this issue to the max.

    Look at Amare's stats post All-Star in 2011. He averaged 23.5 PPG, 7.3 RPG and 49.1% shooting. Amare scored over 30 five times with Melo that season. Some were losses, only because they gave up like 115-120 points in D'Antoni's dumb scheme. A few of those games Melo/Amare combined for 60-70.

    They combined for 65 in a blowout win against Utah. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310307018

    Where is the indication there he stunk with Melo? Melo averaged over 25 in that stretch as well. The problem with those teams was clearly defense. That's why they were below .500. The fact is the Knicks were well on their way to beating the Celtics until Billups & Amare got injured game one and they beat the Heat in the second half of 2011 with the Amare/Melo/Billups combo. The Lakers even suck with D'Antoni with no point guard.

    Enough with the Amare sucks now. It's been such a small sample size in reality. They didn't have point guards last year which killed the team. Lin isn't a pass first point guard.

    They have Kidd. They have Felton. They have Prigioni. Melo/Amare will not be a problem. Amare needs to be in the starting lineup to truly be a threat to Miami. Wasn't the original plan to put CP3/Melo/Amare together? Who didn't think that was going to work out before all this happened? Jason Kidd was CP3 before CP3 even existed. He'll make Amare/Melo work.

    Teams will have to pick their poison in that case.

    Put this issue to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    it's not ideal, but James Harden came off the bench in OKC last year and it worked well there. he is a max player this year so it's kinda similiar though not exactly. I don't know if we need him to come off the bench, but looking at how good Felton is making Chandler look, it will be interesting to see the Amare Felton tandem. I think if woody can keep Amare's mins down to around 25-30 a game, there will be a lot of times that we will be thankful for him. a Priggs, Smith, Novak, Amare and Sheed bench is pretty nice considering what our starting 5 is. I'm glad Amare will do whatever it takes to win, he is really a true competitor. I get mad at his health sometimes, but the truth is that he has been nothing but proffesional since he got here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEDean89 View Post
    it's not ideal, but James Harden came off the bench in OKC last year and it worked well there. he is a max player this year so it's kinda similiar though not exactly. I don't know if we need him to come off the bench, but looking at how good Felton is making Chandler look, it will be interesting to see the Amare Felton tandem. I think if woody can keep Amare's mins down to around 25-30 a game, there will be a lot of times that we will be thankful for him. a Priggs, Smith, Novak, Amare and Sheed bench is pretty nice considering what our starting 5 is. I'm glad Amare will do whatever it takes to win, he is really a true competitor. I get mad at his health sometimes, but the truth is that he has been nothing but proffesional since he got here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    Depth my man, depth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    Because that's where he best fits to help this team win a championship.

    Amare off the bench will have plenty of minutes, he can play next to Tyson/Melo and be effective (and he will to close many games), he will also become the primary backup for both Tyson and Melo at the 4/5. As well as getting 2 of the 3 max players on this team more screening opportunities in Chandler and Amare if they aren't together, they're arguably 2 of the 3 best pick and roll finishers in the NBA. That's what's made both of them max players (Well Tyson more of his defense).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    This concept in sports that the costliest player has to be in the spotlight at all times no matter what needs to change when the good of the team is at stake. Look at Arod on the Yankees. That guy was killing the team where he was batting in the lineup. In this case Stat would be a beast with the second unit. Not only would it help the team win a championship, his stats and efficiency would skyrocket as well.

    Woodsons gonna start him off the bench when he comes back any way until he's close to 100%. He might go on a tare and then they have a reason to keep him there. It's all about what's best for the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?
    It's good if it means you don't have to be as conscious about spacing, overlapping of roles, or conflict in sweet spots in terms of shooting.

    It's good if it means that you don't have to split the touches as much... IE, they are BOTH the #1 shooting options for more significant parts of the game.

    And it's good in that it means that one of the max players will be playing against inferior second units. If they can beast against a first unit, imagine what they'll do to another team's bench.

    So yah, if STAT is good with it, it makes ALOT of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torocan View Post
    It's good if it means you don't have to be as conscious about spacing, overlapping of roles, or conflict in sweet spots in terms of shooting.

    It's good if it means that you don't have to split the touches as much... IE, they are BOTH the #1 shooting options for more significant parts of the game.

    And it's good in that it means that one of the max players will be playing against inferior second units. If they can beast against a first unit, imagine what they'll do to another team's bench.

    So yah, if STAT is good with it, it makes ALOT of sense.
    Yes and no. Look at Miami as the perfect example. Bosh and Wade took lesser roles as far as PPG went and they both started. They won a championship with 3 max players on the court at the same time. We are going to need our 2 max guys to compliment each other if we want to compete against those guys. When you have multiple all-stars on your team there has to be some production drop-off as a sacrifice for the greater good of the team. If Lebron, Wade, and Bosh can co-exist why cant Melo and Amare not co-exist? Its only 2 20 ppg players trying to score vs. 3 20+ ppg scorers. If we cant get them to score 20+ consistently we arent going anywhere. Melo will be top dog (similar to Lebron) and Amare will be his Robin. I know Wade and Bosh are very different players but its up to the coach to make things work and get his players to play to their strengths.

    I know we are winning now and we are tied for the 2nd best record in the East but we need to utilize Amare as a 2nd option (and not a 6th man) if we want to compete against Miami (the team we are trying to beat) in the playoffs. The regular season is a pencil sharpener for the playoffs. We need to get it working before then and Amare as a 6th man would lead to a playoff fail once again if we dont utilize him to his potential. We have a very good suporting cast and we have the ability to beat Miami IF we can get Amare and Melo to mesh. We need to maximize their potential if we are in win now mode as we all claim to be.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix3132 View Post
    How is having a max player coming off the bench the best thing for ANY franchise?


    At this point WHO CARES how much he makes? How does it affect us in ANY way whether he makes $8m or $19m. If it bothers you that much just imagine he makes $8m in your head.

    I never understood why people say "o he makes too much money to come off the bench"... what does that even mean? There have been guys making $19-20m that couldn't even get off the bench like Arenas and Lewis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post


    At this point WHO CARES how much he makes? How does it affect us in ANY way whether he makes $8m or $19m. If it bothers you that much just imagine he makes $8m in your head.

    I never understood why people say "o he makes too much money to come off the bench"... what does that even mean? There have been guys making $19-20m that couldn't even get off the bench like Arenas and Lewis!
    Exactly!

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