Ever since Buchholz admitted to being 'scared' or 'intimidated' by John Farrell during a midday interview on WEEI, I wondered about his make-up.
But I also wonder about CB's decling fastball velocity. Perhaps the best repertoire of all the team's pitchers -- he was once rated higher than Lester by Esptein -- but he's been a disppointment for the most part.
Trade him for all I care.
If a player's year-to-year performances are unpredictable at age 28, you sell high IMO. I'm sick of WONDERING what this team will be each season because of inconsistent pitchers like Buchholz.
We had boneheads in the media once say they wouldn't deal Buchholz for Albet Pujols. He was once considered more 'untouchable' than Lester (if I remember correctly, we missed out on Roy Halladay because of the FO's unwillingness to deal the kid).
I think the overall point of the thread is the following: people still think Buchholz is 'ace' material, so would you deal him if he has an above average or elite 2013?
There's been much criticism leveled at how the BRS are constantly shape-shifting their plan and strategy each season. Some of that is a tug-of-war between baseball and business ops; but much of it is inconsistency. If you don't know what your pitching is, for example. think of the kinetic effect it has on building other aspects of the team. It'd be like Vince Wilfork being hot and cold every other seaon, then trying to build DL and LB core for the long-term.
Whether it be Buccholz, Ellsbury or perhaps even Lester to some extent -- a core of players whose performances can't somewhat be predicted or BANKED ON is no 'core' at all.
This has been one of the greatest problems with this team all along, IMO: overating their foundation.
Last edited by elements1985; 11-29-2012 at 03:44 PM.
So if a player is not an ace he's a disappointment? Buchholz is what he is, a good #3 starter which is why we signed him to an extension. The "if he has a good season deal him" stuff is getting old, he's not done, only deal him if the correct deal comes along but I just think people expect so much that they are blind to see when something is good, not great.
Mind you, though, those aren't the expectations of the team: they're still hoping CB breaks that threshold and becomes a legitimate #2, perhaps even #1.
I agree you don't deal him to deal him; but if he has an elite 2013 and competing GM's project that season as the norm through 2017 (unlikely, but possible given the deperation for pitching) you deal him when his value is at its highest IMO. Enough with this guessing every off-season -- at age 28/29, these shenanigans are getting old.
Imagine if, say, Cherington dealt 4-5 top specs for Felix Hernandez this winter -- not happening, but just imagine for the sake of argument -- then Buchholz transformed into a durable, bona fide #1 for 3-5 seasons (at 25-30% of Felix's annual salary)? Think of what a waste of resources that'd be -- especially if they needed to acquire, say, a middle-order through a trade -- and the implications on the entire team strategy.
Basically a signficant -- organization-altering -- move made, all because a player with All-Star talent was so difficult to project going forward.
Or imagine if the team banks plans on Buchholz at #2 next season, and he regresses to a #4 -- think of the kinetic effect on F/A, trades, the bullpen, offensive strategy, defense.
You can't keep building around inconsistent players, IMO (not just inconsistent players, but inconsistent players with elite talent). I'm not sure even Bill James predict this team's top of the rotation next seaon. Considering its importantance and impact on every other facet of the team, that's a major problem.
Last edited by elements1985; 11-29-2012 at 04:46 PM.
Clay is very overrated. What he did last year was pretty much a lesser version of John Lackey in 2010. He wouldn't be that hard to replace, and his pitching frame and durability are concerning long term. If the right trade came along I'd do it. Right now it's best to be patient and wait for the pitching market to pick up. Unless a great offer comes up I'd wait and revisit it during the trade deadline.
I don't understand all of this trading away our team. I mean there is a new thread of trading away a different RS player every couple days it seems. We would end up like the Royals if BC listened to some of you guys. On another note, if Buchholz is healthy he is a great 2-3 guy in the rotation. Just give him time, he is young and give this coaching staff a chance.
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We signed Ortiz to satisfy fans, and soon probably Napoli and perhaps Swisher or Ross, and a couple of other guys. It's just window dressing while something better is built. I'd rather BC concentrate on the real work that needs to be done.
Tear this team down where we can get the right sort of return, and build a new and better core than this 5 year run of failure.
But I just think this core -- whatever it is; do we even have one ... in the line-up or rotation? -- needs to be gutted and rebuilt like you suggest. They keep fielding the same team and expecting different results each season.
They don't need Buchholz to pitch like an ace, they need to replace him with someone who has the consistency to actually be one IMO. We're not talking about 23-24 year-olds anymore.
Last edited by elements1985; 11-29-2012 at 09:24 PM.