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    Clay Buchholz

    If he has lets say a 175-180 IP/3.30 ERA type of season, Do you think it would be smart to ship him off? With his body frame I don't expect him too last to long (30/31 yrs old?) and he'll continue to battle injuries imo.

    However with a good yr/signed through '17..I think we could get something worthwhile for him.

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    Pitching market is insane. If he's healthy, keep him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos_Sports4Life View Post
    If he has lets say a 175-180 IP/3.30 ERA type of season, Do you think it would be smart to ship him off? With his body frame I don't expect him too last to long (30/31 yrs old?) and he'll continue to battle injuries imo.

    However with a good yr/signed through '17..I think we could get something worthwhile for him.
    I've never been a fan, and I seriously doubt he'll ever repeat his big year. Move him when the price is right.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    If he can stay healthy this year (165IP+), he should be traded. Hopefully we see him breakout again and have a big year. His value would then be pretty damn solid.


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    you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapelbonLester View Post
    you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.
    Why do you assume he would be dealt for a hitter?

    There are a lot of warning signs with Clay, more than most #1-2-3 SP's. Questions about his physique, his health, his consistency, his maturity, his toughness.

    He might be an ace in SD, but in the AL East, he's no ace. And every offer for any player we have should be carefully checked into.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapelbonLester View Post
    you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.
    Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

    In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

    In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.
    So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapelbonLester View Post
    So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?
    You actually think this team is going to contend for the WS in '13 or '14? If not, then what's the problem? My problem with it would be if the return sucks. No way of knowing that now, Carnac.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapelbonLester View Post
    So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

    In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.
    Quote Originally Posted by PapelbonLester View Post
    So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?
    I believe he's implying that they could start to contribute in a years time like he said. Not right away. If you do trade clay you can still sign FA free agents on 1,2,3 year deals.

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    I'd rather keep Clay. He's a good middle of the rotation starter.
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    Here is a superb thread on the same Buchholz from May 2010. Right at the end it was noted that his HR/9 was very good that year and wasn't sustainable.

    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...uchholz&page=6

    2010 - 0.5
    2011 - 1.1
    2012 - 1.2

    Prior two years 1.3 and 1.3

    Since 2009 his IP and ERA+:

    IP:

    92.0 (in half a season) -- 111
    173.2 (DL) - 187
    082.2 (DL) - 124
    189.1 (DL) - 095

    So by IP/DL trips he's at best a #5 SP or more likely a spot starter/long man if you want him not to go to the DL.

    Excepting his outlier season his ERA numbers are that of a strong 3 or a meh 2.

    As usual Sox fans over estimate the value of everything that they have.

    p.s. he'll be 29 in August, and his team options in 2016 and 2017 are cheap buy-outs or expensive payout ($13M and $13.5M). His price in '13 and '14 is favorable. Cash the chip in while it is still valuable.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Don't get all the Clay hate, he's a good #3 starter.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&year=2012&t=p

    Take out his first month and his numbers look much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AI4LIFE View Post
    Don't get all the Clay hate, he's a good #3 starter.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&year=2012&t=p

    Take out his first month and his numbers look much better.
    Sure, he's a fine #3; but that just affirms what a colossal disappointment he's been to date.

    We had boneheads in the media once say they wouldn't deal Buchholz for Albet Pujols. He was once considered more 'untouchable' than Lester (if I remember correctly, we missed out on Roy Halladay because of the FO's unwillingness to deal the kid).

    I think the overall point of the thread is the following: people still think Buchholz is 'ace' material, so would you deal him if he has an above average or elite 2013?

    There's been much criticism leveled at how the BRS are constantly shape-shifting their plan and strategy each season. Some of that is a tug-of-war between baseball and business ops; but much of it is inconsistency. If you don't know what your pitching is, for example. think of the kinetic effect it has on building other aspects of the team. It'd be like Vince Wilfork being hot and cold every other seaon, then trying to build DL and LB core for the long-term.

    Whether it be Buccholz, Ellsbury or perhaps even Lester to some extent -- a core of players whose performances can't somewhat be predicted or BANKED ON is no 'core' at all.

    This has been one of the greatest problems with this team all along, IMO: overating their foundation.
    Last edited by elements1985; 11-29-2012 at 03:44 PM.

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