Clay Buchholz

[Bos_Sports4Life]

If he has lets say a 175-180 IP/3.30 ERA type of season, Do you think it would be smart to ship him off? With his body frame I don't expect him too last to long (30/31 yrs old?) and he'll continue to battle injuries imo.

However with a good yr/signed through '17..I think we could get something worthwhile for him.

[Station 13]

Pitching market is insane. If he's healthy, keep him.

[bagwell368]

If he has lets say a 175-180 IP/3.30 ERA type of season, Do you think it would be smart to ship him off? With his body frame I don't expect him too last to long (30/31 yrs old?) and he'll continue to battle injuries imo.

However with a good yr/signed through '17..I think we could get something worthwhile for him.

I've never been a fan, and I seriously doubt he'll ever repeat his big year. Move him when the price is right.

[homie564]

If he can stay healthy this year (165IP+), he should be traded. Hopefully we see him breakout again and have a big year. His value would then be pretty damn solid.

[PapelbonLester]

you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.

[bagwell368]

you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.

Why do you assume he would be dealt for a hitter?

There are a lot of warning signs with Clay, more than most #1-2-3 SP's. Questions about his physique, his health, his consistency, his maturity, his toughness.

He might be an ace in SD, but in the AL East, he's no ace. And every offer for any player we have should be carefully checked into.

[RedSoxtober]

you ppl make me laugh. Trade our SP for what? a hitter? so then what? We have a Ace coming off the worst year of his career then CLAY as our number 2. WHY TRADE HIM? you ppl are beyond stupid.

Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.

[PapelbonLester]

Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.

So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?

[Majesty17]

Hey, Carnac, the question is about what happens after 2013.

In a year's time we could see very positive contributions from RDLR and Webster with Barnes possibly pushing AAA in August. In that scenario moving the rail-thin starter with a much longer history of injuries than success is not out of the question.

So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?

I believe he's implying that they could start to contribute in a years time like he said. Not right away. If you do trade clay you can still sign FA free agents on 1,2,3 year deals.

[bagwell368]

So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?

You actually think this team is going to contend for the WS in '13 or '14? If not, then what's the problem? My problem with it would be if the return sucks. No way of knowing that now, Carnac.

[todu82]

I'd rather keep Clay. He's a good middle of the rotation starter.

[bagwell368]

Here is a superb thread on the same Buchholz from May 2010. Right at the end it was noted that his HR/9 was very good that year and wasn't sustainable.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...uchholz&page=6

2010 - 0.5
2011 - 1.1
2012 - 1.2

Prior two years 1.3 and 1.3

Since 2009 his IP and ERA+:

IP:

92.0 (in half a season) -- 111
173.2 (DL) - 187
082.2 (DL) - 124
189.1 (DL) - 095

So by IP/DL trips he's at best a #5 SP or more likely a spot starter/long man if you want him not to go to the DL.

Excepting his outlier season his ERA numbers are that of a strong 3 or a meh 2.

As usual Sox fans over estimate the value of everything that they have.

p.s. he'll be 29 in August, and his team options in 2016 and 2017 are cheap buy-outs or expensive payout ($13M and $13.5M). His price in '13 and '14 is favorable. Cash the chip in while it is still valuable.

[Nomar]

So let's rely on AAA players good idea. Worked so well last year right?

Clown

[bagwell368]

Clown

?? Is he one of those guys we got in the Crawford deal? i can't keep them all straight....

[Nomar]

?? Is he one of those guys we got in the Crawford deal? i can't keep them all straight....

Nah, I was just annoyed that PapelbonLester comes in here and calls everyone stupid when in reality he' the one thinking we have to compete this year while the team is in a rebuilding stage.