I accept your explanation but the problem lies in our definitions I guess. Fangraphs listed those rules of thumb as reference points for those unfamiliar with wOBA.
He's between average and above average by Fangraphs standards, idk what that makes him.
Not talking about today, over the years since he's been up. Halladay was still in Toronto, Beckett was still good, etc.Originally Posted by Havoc Wr3aker
Now in the NLE: The Nats' staff? All praises due. But the clock is ticking on Halladay (36 next yr) and Lee (35 next yr), Santana is finished, and Josh Johnson, Mark B & Sanchez are gone.
I'm difficult to argue with because I will hold you to the facts, which can lead to butthurt (luckily not from him who at least admits that it sounds stupid - which is a half a step away from admitting that picking numbers out of a hat to claim as above average is not how reality works).
The explanation is fine, though the math is still off as far as the reality of run production.
Upton's .333 wOBA in 2011 puts him all of .007 away from being above average by the arbitrary number. League offense actually went down in 2012 so there's probably a new arbitrary baseline, or there should be (or they could just work with the real numbers like a team would have to do).
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The Phillies were the first to express interest in B.J. Upton. But their best offer was five years for $55 million. #Braves
From the phillies forum...Holy hell our GM might actually be learning.
I really don't believe that report, and being a report we will never know if its truth.
Ya I think that'd be a good deal.
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You don't hold anyone to any facts. You skew them for your favor, and then play victim when someone does the exact same thing to you (for instance, you randomly go back and forth between rWAR and fWAR, sometimes in the exact same comparison and then will slam one metric against the other if another poster uses a different one, remain consistent!). It's annoying and is what makes you difficult to discuss with. I'm not the only person who has had this issue with you.
I'm omitting the rest of your message because I don't give two ***** about everyones definitions of above average. It appears, based on what sfrush said in his first post, it was pretty clear what he meant, but it doesn't matter. The only reason I responded was to point out this one sentence, and that's because I'm tired of seeing it.
Maybe it's a bit of a stretch. But Upton has a lot of skills that can be utilized and fit with what Atlanta wants.
I felt 5/60 was about the max he should get. 5/75 isn't terrible, but it's more than I would have given him. His age really helps the deal though.
He used to be my favorite non-Yankee, thought he would be a beast..glad he never really was in his time in the AL East
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with the Mets resigning Wright for $17mil/yr, BJ getting $15mil/yr looks even worse for the Braves. Thats a joke deal for a guy who hit .240 for 4 straight yrs.