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    Question: Did Phil Jackson prevent Brian Shaw from getting hired in 2011?

    Just saw the MSNBC article about how Brian Shaw was incredulous that Lakers didn't hire Phil:

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ckson/related/

    The question we gotta ask is, that if Phil knew (as he apparently did) that he was gonna take a vacation year off during the strike season, and wanted to be positioned to be brought back to coach the Lakers again in 2012-2013 (as he definitely was, and as Magic, Rambis, Jeannie Buss, and others in or around the organization obviously assumed that he would be), then...

    ... in 2011, when they were hiring a new coach, did Phil/Magic/Rambis/etc put the kibosh on hiring Brian Shaw for the head coaching position and somehow push for Mike Brown or Adelsen?

    Because if Shaw had been hired, and jelled as the Lakers new coach, then Phil Jackson wouldn't have been able to ride back into town in early 2012 as we can see in retrospect was clearly the plan all along.

    Of course the other possibility is that everybody pushed for Brian Shaw because they assumed that he lacked the experience, charisma, assertiveness and force to succeed as head coach of the Lakers, and so certainly would have failed, again allowing Phil Jackson to come sailing in to save the day in early 2012.

    The Mike Brown hire made everybody's sphincter snap shut because they realized he was an outsider who had deep playoff experience with Lebron and Cleveland, and could therefore possibly "make it" in Los Angeles long term. Thus from day 1 guys like Magic were whining about Mike Brown "being there" and "not being the right guy" etc etc.

    The fact that Mike Brown did in fact fail, and that the dream scenario for Phil to return in 2012 did in fact materialize, but yet the Lakers then "dissed" Phil nonetheless, by teasing him and then making the better decision for D'Antoni, must be especially irksome. Especially because Da'ntoni is a better offensive coach, a true professional and specialist in that area.

    Just for the record I think the Dan'toni hire was a fantastic move, and this Laker team will be tremendous. Fan-tastic.

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    who's Adelsen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sssmush View Post
    Just saw the MSNBC article about how Brian Shaw was incredulous that Lakers didn't hire Phil:

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ckson/related/

    The question we gotta ask is, that if Phil knew (as he apparently did) that he was gonna take a vacation year off during the strike season, and wanted to be positioned to be brought back to coach the Lakers again in 2012-2013 (as he definitely was, and as Magic, Rambis, Jeannie Buss, and others in or around the organization obviously assumed that he would be), then...

    ... in 2011, when they were hiring a new coach, did Phil/Magic/Rambis/etc put the kibosh on hiring Brian Shaw for the head coaching position and somehow push for Mike Brown or Adelsen?

    Because if Shaw had been hired, and jelled as the Lakers new coach, then Phil Jackson wouldn't have been able to ride back into town in early 2012 as we can see in retrospect was clearly the plan all along.

    Of course the other possibility is that everybody pushed for Brian Shaw because they assumed that he lacked the experience, charisma, assertiveness and force to succeed as head coach of the Lakers, and so certainly would have failed, again allowing Phil Jackson to come sailing in to save the day in early 2012.

    The Mike Brown hire made everybody's sphincter snap shut because they realized he was an outsider who had deep playoff experience with Lebron and Cleveland, and could therefore possibly "make it" in Los Angeles long term. Thus from day 1 guys like Magic were whining about Mike Brown "being there" and "not being the right guy" etc etc.

    The fact that Mike Brown did in fact fail, and that the dream scenario for Phil to return in 2012 did in fact materialize, but yet the Lakers then "dissed" Phil nonetheless, by teasing him and then making the better decision for D'Antoni, must be especially irksome. Especially because Da'ntoni is a better offensive coach, a true professional and specialist in that area.

    Just for the record I think the Dan'toni hire was a fantastic move, and this Laker team will be tremendous. Fan-tastic.
    The LAL did not give Mike Brown a 4 year contract knowing that they would be switching coaches the following year.

    Phil publicly endorsed Brian Shaw for the LAL job during his final season and afterward mentioned how disappointed he was that Shaw did not get the gig.

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    adelsen?

    Whos that the son of Adelman and leslie nielsen?

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    I still wish Adelman was hired in the first place.

    136-206, 66% CMP, 1,517 Yds, 7.36 Avg, 9 TD, 4 INTs, 60.9 QBR, 94.3 RTG

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndiansFan337 View Post
    The LAL did not give Mike Brown a 4 year contract knowing that they would be switching coaches the following year.
    This.

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    Nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroMan View Post
    Nah
    Well, if that is true, then the second scenario in the OP is also very like true:

    Of course the other possibility is that everybody pushed for Brian Shaw because they assumed that he lacked the experience, charisma, assertiveness and force to succeed as head coach of the Lakers, and so certainly would have failed, again allowing Phil Jackson to come sailing in to save the day in early 2012.
    Phil (and his proxies Magic, RAM-bis, etc) almost certainly pushed for Shaw. We saw clearly this year that Phil had planned on coming back to coach the Lakers again. Right? So the ideal scenario becomes a quiet voiced Shaw who can't even give an interview, rather than a Jim Cleamons who would've taken over the job long term.

    Seriously, is there anybody out there who believes that Brian Shaw would've lasted any longer than Mike Brown? The only difference is that Shaw would've voluntarily fired himself so that Phil could take over again.

    I'm just really done with this. I thought Phil was a great coach in LA most of the time, but I am done with this and don't want to hear any more about Phil at this point.

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