David Wright: Reports Are Inaccurate / Argument is over deferred money (post 22)

[Marty Mcfly]

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Let the posturing continue.

FWIW, I don't see how anyone can fault a man who believes he has earned a certain amount of money, for not wanting to sign a backloaded deal with lots of deferred money.

If you think you're worth $140 million dollars (or whatever the number) you think you're worth that money as soon as you can get it. And at that level of income, you can turn it into considerably more with proper investing.

Why would you be ok with a team holding on to your money? Why should they earn the interest on money you believe you have earned?

Can't fault Wright if he hedges at this approach. I hope it is properly addressed.

Any why would anyone trust the Coupons with THEIR deferred money, they're crooks after all.

[Sick Of It All]

The Wilpon's always trying to pay later. Man good thing they did not borrow money from loan sharks.

[metsbulls1025]

We were doing this before the financial issues.

[metsbulls1025]

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Any why would anyone trust the Coupons with THEIR deferred money, they're crooks after all.

So now your saying they won't be able to pay contracts?

[lvlheaded]

It's unreal how in one thread I see people complaining to get him signed, stop being cheap, etc. and then in this thread I see the same people saying how could we be so stupid, he doesn't deserve that contract, we should trade him for prospects, etc

Are people ****ing stupid? Pick a side and stick to it. Bottom line is this is our franchise player. For better or worse this is the guy the organization has decided to build around and yeah, he is by far our best player. Trading for prospects is a crap shoot. How'd this prospects the Marlins got for Miggy work out? The headliners of that trade were Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller. How about our own "can't miss prospects" or Lastings Milledge and Fernando Martinez? Remember when people didn't wanna trade Milledge straight up for a close to prime Manny? Anyone still argue that would have been a bad deal for us?

The bottom line is that Wright is the face of the franchise and the captain of this team. You know that he's gonna bat around .300 hit about 20-25 homers and drive in around 100 runs. Can we guarantee that anyone we get back in a trade for him will do that? No. I'm all for not over paying people, but in this day and age EVERYONE of these players gets overpaid. Keep our captain and stop *****ing about money that isn't even ours to spend.

I swear some people just want and need to ***** and can't be happy about anything

[fanofclendennon]

It's unreal how in one thread I see people complaining to get him signed, stop being cheap, etc. and then in this thread I see the same people saying how could we be so stupid, he doesn't deserve that contract, we should trade him for prospects, etc

Are people ****ing stupid? Pick a side and stick to it. Bottom line is this is our franchise player. For better or worse this is the guy the organization has decided to build around and yeah, he is by far our best player. Trading for prospects is a crap shoot. How'd this prospects the Marlins got for Miggy work out? The headliners of that trade were Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller. How about our own "can't miss prospects" or Lastings Milledge and Fernando Martinez? Remember when people didn't wanna trade Milledge straight up for a close to prime Manny? Anyone still argue that would have been a bad deal for us?

The bottom line is that Wright is the face of the franchise and the captain of this team. You know that he's gonna bat around .300 hit about 20-25 homers and drive in around 100 runs. Can we guarantee that anyone we get back in a trade for him will do that? No. I'm all for not over paying people, but in this day and age EVERYONE of these players gets overpaid. Keep our captain and stop *****ing about money that isn't even ours to spend.

I swear some people just want and need to ***** and can't be happy about anything

Seeing and recognizing that there are two valid sides to an issue does not make one stupid. Yes, on one hand, we have David Wright, arguably the best offensive player in team history, deserving a large extension to remain a Met. On the other hand, we have a player who has been inconsistent for the last 4 seasons which makes it a valid point to question whether we should lock him up for the rest of his career.

My take is that we should re-sign him because the chances of finding a third baseman as good as Wright, despite his inconsistency, are nil. On the other hand, because there always is another hand, it would also be wise to make the right deal for him.

But I think the better of the two options is to extend him even if I do acknowledge the benefits of trading him.

And for the record, everything i just wrote about Wright can also be said about RA Dickey, other than the inconsistency.

[lvlheaded]

Seeing and recognizing that there are two valid sides to an issue does not make one stupid. Yes, on one hand, we have David Wright, arguably the best offensive player in team history, deserving a large extension to remain a Met. On the other hand, we have a player who has been inconsistent for the last 4 seasons which makes it a valid point to question whether we should lock him up for the rest of his career.

My take is that we should re-sign him because the chances of finding a third baseman as good as Wright, despite his inconsistency, are nil. On the other hand, because there always is another hand, it would also be wise to make the right deal for him.

But I think the better of the two options is to extend him even if I do acknowledge the benefits of trading him.

And for the record, everything i just wrote about Wright can also be said about RA Dickey, other than the inconsistency.

My apologies FoC, I didn't mean that seeing both sides of the coin makes anyone stupid. I meant the complete emotional over reaction did. Going from one second calling the FO terrible for not getting it done, then turning on them and over reacting about the amount of the deal and again calling the FO terrible. You can't have it both ways. You can be upset that you think the deal is too much, but you can't have it both ways. Either you want him back and you accept that there will be an over payment, or you don't want him back. It's not fair to jump on the FO no matter what they do. As many times as they have burned us in the past, we have to trust that they are doing what they believe is best for the team.

And to clarify, you were not one of the posters I was referencing. I always enjoy your posts as you always seem to have an even keeled response. I just hate the back and forth that some posters seem to have. They seem to ***** no matter what the FO decides and it is in my words "****ing stupid" hahaha

[milominderbinde]

I really hate this Mets practice of backloading and deferring money to a point where payments will not equate to production on the field. We know that in 2018 we will be hearing that they cannot afford to spend until they get Wright's "bad" contract off the books. This is different than what the marlins did with Reyes because they knew they would trade Reyes before the back end and Wright has no-trade protection.

[macattack]

I really hate this Mets practice of backloading and deferring money to a point where payments will not equate to production on the field. We know that in 2018 we will be hearing that they cannot afford to spend until they get Wright's "bad" contract off the books. This is different than what the marlins did with Reyes because they knew they would trade Reyes before the back end and Wright has no-trade protection.

will u hate it when it proves to give them more $$$ to spend on players to put around wright and the team takes off?

[milominderbinde]

will u hate it when it proves to give them more $$$ to spend on players to put around wright and the team takes off?

Do you really think the Mets are going to be doing any real spending on new players? I think they have made pretty clear that this is not going to happen.

[fanofclendennon]

My apologies FoC, I didn't mean that seeing both sides of the coin makes anyone stupid. I meant the complete emotional over reaction did. Going from one second calling the FO terrible for not getting it done, then turning on them and over reacting about the amount of the deal and again calling the FO terrible. You can't have it both ways. You can be upset that you think the deal is too much, but you can't have it both ways. Either you want him back and you accept that there will be an over payment, or you don't want him back. It's not fair to jump on the FO no matter what they do. As many times as they have burned us in the past, we have to trust that they are doing what they believe is best for the team.

And to clarify, you were not one of the posters I was referencing. I always enjoy your posts as you always seem to have an even keeled response. I just hate the back and forth that some posters seem to have. They seem to ***** no matter what the FO decides and it is in my words "****ing stupid" hahaha

LOL, since I often waffle too many times on issues, I couldn't help but see myself in your post. You're right, too many times we take a damned if they do, damned if they don't approach when the fact is there just is no simple answer either way.

I think we can all be excused though for our negative perception of the Wilpons. They've done precious little over the years to inspire confidence.

[metsbulls1025]

I really hate this Mets practice of backloading and deferring money to a point where payments will not equate to production on the field. We know that in 2018 we will be hearing that they cannot afford to spend until they get Wright's "bad" contract off the books. This is different than what the marlins did with Reyes because they knew they would trade Reyes before the back end and Wright has no-trade protection.

This isn't a Mets practice. This is a practice in all of sports.

[macattack]

Do you really think the Mets are going to be doing any real spending on new players? I think they have made pretty clear that this is not going to happen.

oh i forgot 140 mill contracts don't say anything.

[StoicSentry]

And for the record, everything i just wrote about Wright can also be said about RA Dickey, other than the inconsistency.

Dickey is consistent? He seems to be consistent within a season, but last season was by far his best, the year before was by far his 2nd best, and he's had many terrible years.

I think he'll be mostly good moving forward, probably have campaigns that are a cross between his 2011 and 2012 seasons, but consistent? Not so much.

[milominderbinde]

oh i forgot 140 mill contracts don't say anything.

But how does that get us the additional players to turn the team into a contender as you suggested they would do with the near term savings fromthe deferral?