Why no talk about trading Johan?

[YoungStuna]

I actually laughed out loud.

Because it's false? Or because the truth is funny? lol.

[Claymation]

Because it's false? Or because the truth is funny? lol.

This.

[BradHolt4CYoung]

So instead of paying him 25.5 million, we pay some team 20 million to have him pitch for them?

Not sure that's a good idea.

Why isn't that a good idea?

1. we save MONEY
2. we get back pieces...potentially a legit young starting caliber position player.

Whats the sense in not eating his contract and keeping him? What's his value to us for 2013? Help us win 80 games instead of 70? If that?

[fanofclendennon]

I like you better when I think your viewpoint is full of $#it. Stop agreeing with me.

LOL!!!!!!

I'll try harder next time.

[YoungStuna]

This.

[YoungStuna]

Why isn't that a good idea?

1. we save MONEY
2. we get back pieces...potentially a legit young starting caliber position player.

Whats the sense in not eating his contract and keeping him? What's his value to us for 2013? Help us win 80 games instead of 70? If that?

If we deal Johan, it will be to save money only. We will not get any pieces for him other than maybe a Adrian Rosario type. According to Fangraphs, we've only gotten $52.2M worth of the Johan investment, so that blows.

He's not going to pitch to a $20M level next year so we might as well deal him for as much cash as possible.

[fanofclendennon]

Why isn't that a good idea?

1. we save MONEY
2. we get back pieces...potentially a legit young starting caliber position player.

Whats the sense in not eating his contract and keeping him? What's his value to us for 2013? Help us win 80 games instead of 70? If that?

Because if you're gonna pay all that money anyway, you might as well pay a little more and see what he can do for one more season.

[metswon69]

I am sure the Mets are hoping for him to have a really good first half and trade him once his value is at its highest. Atleast thats what a team trying to get back into contention would do.

This..

That's the only way they deal him.

He is making way too much money and has been too injury prone for a team to take a chance on him otherwise.

[BradHolt4CYoung]

If we deal Johan, it will be to save money only. We will not get any pieces for him other than maybe a Adrian Rosario type. According to Fangraphs, we've only gotten $52.2M worth of the Johan investment, so that blows.

He's not going to pitch to a $20M level next year so we might as well deal him for as much cash as possible.

Because if you're gonna pay all that money anyway, you might as well pay a little more and see what he can do for one more season.

If he pitches like he was pitching last season before he got hurt around the trade deadline, and doesn't have some stupid innings pitched massive option like K-rod did, we can get much more than Adrian Rosario...

A teams in playoff contention, fighting for a wildcard...needs to strengthen their rotation and there is a 3 era type pitcher who's contract comes off the books in a couple month on the block...they would give up a very valuable piece for us.

[Cosmic_Canon]

So instead of paying him 25.5 million, we pay some team 20 million to have him pitch for them?

Not sure that's a good idea.

Why not, we're going to be awful anyway. If we're going to suck, at least we should see if Mejia or Familia have any future as starters. Have Familia and Mejia battle it out for the 5th starter in Spring Training, and roll w/ one of them for 13 - 18 starts til Wheeler is ready. Worst case scenario Mejia or Familia is awful for us in 13-18 starts and we move one of those guys back to the bullpen once Wheeler comes up, or Mejia/Familia does well and we have a 6 man rotation once Wheeler comes up.

[YoungStuna]

Why not, we're going to be awful anyway. If we're going to suck, at least we should see if Mejia or Familia have any future as starters. Have Familia and Mejia battle it out for the 5th starter in Spring Training, and roll w/ one of them for 13 - 18 starts til Wheeler is ready. Worst case scenario Mejia or Familia is awful for us in 13-18 starts and we move one of those guys back to the bullpen once Wheeler comes up, or Mejia/Familia does well and we have a 6 man rotation once Wheeler comes up.

The off-season has barely begun. How can you possibly know that?

[Marty Mcfly]

Seriously?

Really?

Isn't it obvious?

[Cosmic_Canon]

It's been reported that the Mets expect the payroll at best to be 100 mil(taking in account arbitration and resigning Dickey and Wright). That means no shot of getting decent outfielders or a catcher. Even if we move the likes of a Niese or Dickey for an outfielder, it would set us a step back to make a step forward.

Outside of Dickey and Niese, we have concerns question marks at everyone in our rotation. Gee and Santana are coming injuries; and Harvey(he dominated in his 10 or so starts, but he has to do it over a full season) and Wheeler are question marks. This team's success depends on a number of "hopes". We "hope" that Wheeler and Harvey play well. We "hope" that 3 of the 4 of Duda; V-Spin, Kirk, and MDD can provide a competent outfield. We "hope" that Mejia; Familia, and/orHefner can step in for us, once 2 or more starters get injured. Good teams like the Rays; Cards, Yanks, and the Giants don't have too many "hopes". Combine the previous factor along w/ our mediocre front office, than you have a recipe for another 73 - 78 win season.

[metswon69]

Seriously?

Really?

Isn't it obvious?

He was effective till June last year, if they can get him to stay healthy and pitching well till July he will be dealt.

That's all they can hope for.

[YoungStuna]

It's been reported that the Mets expect the payroll at best to be 100 mil(taking in account arbitration and resigning Dickey and Wright). That means no shot of getting decent outfielders or a catcher. Even if we move the likes of a Niese or Dickey for an outfielder, it would set us a step back to make a step forward.

Outside of Dickey and Niese, we have concerns question marks at everyone in our rotation. Gee and Santana are coming injuries; and Harvey(he dominated in his 10 or so starts, but he has to do it over a full season) and Wheeler are question marks. This team's success depends on a number of "hopes". We "hope" that Wheeler and Harvey play well. We "hope" that 3 of the 4 of Duda; V-Spin, Kirk, and MDD can provide a competent outfield. We "hope" that Mejia; Familia, and/orHefner can step in for us, once 2 or more starters get injured. Good teams like the Rays; Cards, Yanks, and the Giants don't have too many "hopes". Combine the previous factor along w/ our mediocre front office, than you have a recipe for another 73 - 78 win season.

Could always package a guy like Flores for an outfielder.