Because KC thinks the only thing their missing from being a playoff contender is starting pitching. They have had bad luck with their pitching prospects because of injuries and disappointments like Hochevar. So they traded a rp prospect to get Ervin Santana and his expensive option year. And gave Guthrie $25M because they like him so much. They think the biggest thing they are missing is an ace to lead their staff, so they figured their best course of action is to shop their best prospect, who plays a position that they view as blocked on the big league roster, for the best pitcher they can get to lead their staff and team to the playoffs.
I can understand not liking the deal and wishing for young major league talent. I don't understand being vehemently against acquiring a player who is considered one of the best overall prospects in the game by every single prospect expert.
Its not like top specs never get traded. There's motives for everything and there'd be risk for both sides.
If Myers is in fact the real deal, wouldn't KC be in the hunt for someone in the highest echelon of arms? Lester will still eat innings and could likely be a viable, top-15 pitcher; but the command issues and reduced velocity (in tandem) might be trouble.
For me, the peculiarity isn't KC wanting to ship out a top MLB spec -- it's wanting to ship out a top MLB spec for Lester.... That leads me to believe it's a 'pump and dump' after all....
It's hard to argue JL's career is on an upward trajectory, with his best days ahead. So maybe it's equal value after all: overrated spec for declining arm, and one team's desperation for pitching.
Last edited by elements1985; 11-28-2012 at 04:33 AM.
I also understand the pros and cons of Lester and his situation both past and possible futures. BTW if he's healthy he's liable to post top 8 rWAR SP numbers in that situation, so the Sox back biter fans of which I will be in this case will have something to go to battle with.
What I don't see is more than a poster or two in this whole thread that doesn't think Wil Myers is the human version of a ginsu knife and sure HOF'er. I am vehemently against the "slam dunk" move, because like the shell game, the viewer becomes hypnotized by what he is sure is right, only to find that he's been duped. Are U sure KC is that ****ing stupid to be giving away a 5x All Star? If he was so great why wasn't he called up last year? They had garbage in RF.
If Myers isn't ~Jim Rice but turns out to be average, or worse, then BC and crew will have yet more back biting to deal with.
Last edited by bagwell368; 11-28-2012 at 09:52 AM.
Looks like nothing will get done with KC, but that doesn't mean Lester won't get traded anytime soon. It's difficult to make up my mind about this. We need pitching pitching pitching, so it might not be the best idea to get rid of a pitcher that is supposed to be the backbone of your rotation, on the other hand that's a model the A's have been doing for a while with good success.
We could be sitting here next off-season and realize that we should have cashed in on Lester 1 year earlier, just like with Jacoby. We knew it was tough to extend him and could have gotten a kings ransom for him last year. Difference is, we thought we were contenders. This year? Not so much. So where's the point in keeping Lester if we can get a piece (not necessarily Myers) that makes us better in the long run?
Still think the Rangers might be interested, their pitching isn't all that great and it looks like Feliz is heading back to the bullpen. Couple him with Ellsbury and fetch a nice return, that's it.
Fine. Let's hear about Gordon and Perez. And we can talk about Salty and Lavarnway, and Jacobs, Brentz, and Kalish, and Aceves, Bard
As far as keeping Lester, by not yoking him to Salty, and having pros catch and coach him, he can be what he has been in his career. The best home grown/keeper Red Sox SP since Clemens. You think that just grows on trees?
Last edited by bagwell368; 11-28-2012 at 09:59 AM.
They're not trading away Gordon or Perez. The whole reason they're rumored to be dangling Myers is that they don't want to remove any good, young pieces already established on their major league team. They like the lineup they have (don't 100% know why but with bounce backs and growth I guess I can see it) and think they just need some top of the rotation pitching to compete in that division.
Myers is much more likely to be dealt than Gordon or Perez. Simply because he's not established in the majors yet.
Edited to add: Peter A also wrote a fairly poor evaluation of that potential trade, in my opinion only of course.
This is why Andrus, Gordon, and guys like that make sense.
Perez? I wouldn't deal him either, unless the get was huge, he might be the next Yadier. I'd consider tossing them a ready made catching tandem of Salty/Lavarnway and Lester and say Barnes - for Perez, Myers, and a kid a smidge below Barnes. But I can't see just dealing a proven player for a guy that wasn't even granted a cup of coffee in September.
Dayton Moore has an unhealthy relationship with Jeff Francouer. Unfortunately for Royals fans everywhere.Perez? I wouldn't deal him either, unless the get was huge, he might be the next Yadier. I'd consider tossing them a ready made catching tandem of Salty/Lavarnway and Lester - for Perez and Myers. But I can't see just dealing a proven player for a guy that wasn't even granted a cup of coffee in September.