Red Sox discussing Lester for Wil Myers trade

**BGeer091** · 11-26-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by bagwell368:24473049

This is absolute crap. No way a one for one. Talk about the catcher and Gordon and forget the spec. And replace Lester w/ Buchholz.

I like Will Myers but Myers for Lester is a terrible trade! I take it you don't like that trade either??

AI · 11-26-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by thomass

you guys got to give up more than just jon lester to get the #1 prospect in baseball lmfao

Funny, because I believe it's the other way around.

**papipapsmanny** · 11-26-2012, 10:34 PM

haha lets do lester, kalish, and Brentz for Meyers and Danny Duffy

Could the Royals be that dumb?

I know Duffy got injured but his potential is crazy

**tc2deuce** · 11-26-2012, 10:36 PM

Package deal for Myers and Gordon.........Go!

**bagwell368** · 11-26-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by BGeer091

I like Will Myers but Myers for Lester is a terrible trade! I take it you don't like that trade either??

It's rubbish. If they are trading him, then they must figure it's better to cash in their chips now. I wish the kid well, but let's not lose our heads here.

Lester between 2008-2011 inclusive was clearly one of the 12 best SP's in the MLB. You don't deal that for a kid, one with concerns (K rates).

**thomass** · 11-26-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by AI4LIFE

Funny, because I believe it's the other way around.

so you think the number 1 prospect in baseball with 6 years of control is worth only jon lester... who has already been defined as, at best, a #2 pitcher by his 6 years of experience in the big leagues?

**BGeer091** · 11-26-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by tc2deuce:24473314

Package deal for Myers and Gordon.........Go!

Lester, Kalish, Wilson and Younginer

**bruins>habs** · 11-26-2012, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

Package deal for Myers and Gordon.........Go!

This

**quiksilver2491** · 11-26-2012, 10:40 PM

I would do a deal like Lester and Brentz for Myers and Lamb.

**BGeer091** · 11-26-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by bagwell368:24473353

Originally Posted by BGeer091

I like Will Myers but Myers for Lester is a terrible trade! I take it you don't like that trade either??

It's rubbish. If they are trading him, then they must figure it's better to cash in their chips now. I wish the kid well, but let's not lose our heads here.

Lester between 2008-2011 inclusive was clearly one of the 12 best SP's in the MLB. You don't deal that for a kid, one with concerns (K rates).

I agree! I've floated the idea of trading Lester before. However I believe he will be great next season. He could be the best #2 in baseball. If K.C. is throwing in a top pitching spec or Gordon then I'm ok with it. Obviously there would be more pieces..

So I'm saying Lester straight up for Myers is a big no!

**bagwell368** · 11-26-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by thomass

you guys got to give up more than just jon lester to get the #1 prospect in baseball lmfao

Exhibit A for my posts regarding the younger 1/2 of PSD posters.

I'll take Gordon and Perez, you can have Buchholz, Wilson, Lavarnway, Swihart, Brentz, Jacobs

You like specs so much? Here are 4 that fit between #8-#18, and a #2 SP in that park of yours - and you get to keep Myers - I don't want to overpay for that one.

AI · 11-26-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by thomass

so you think the number 1 prospect in baseball with 6 years of control is worth only jon lester... who has already been defined as, at best, a #2 pitcher by his 6 years of experience in the big leagues?

You want a top of the rotation pitcher? Get ready to pay for it, that simple.

**-Lavigne43-** · 11-26-2012, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by RedSoxtober

Lester has out earned Price (B-R WAR) from 2009 to date. This season was the first in which Price outpaced him in any single season. I think you're selling low on Lester... and on Price. Dealing front-line pitching, especially if discounted for a bad season, is risky.

Assume that we do it. Anyone up for a subsequent deal centered on Jacoby and Cliff Lee?

Price was easily better than Lester in 2011, I don't know how rWAR could possibly have Lester better. He crushed Lester in pretty much every category except era by .02. Much better K rate, BB rate, FIP, fWAR, way more innings pitched. Lester has declined 4 straight years, and you have to wonder if he ever gets back to 2008-2010 form. I think he will bounce back next year, but if he doesn't he will have no value with 1 year left, which is an expensive option year.

I have been against trading Lester because I thought he would be undervalued. Getting one of the best hitting prospects in baseball is terrific value for Lester right now. I'd say a cost controlled player middle of the order power hitter is rarer these days then someone who might bounce back to being a borderline 1st/2nd tier pitcher.

Wil Myers is a better prospect than Xander. I guarantee this forum would be going batshit insane if the Red Sox were discussing trading him to the Rays for James Shields.

And the Royals are not trading Perez. They have him signed longterm cheap, and it's been reported that they won't trade him.

**thomass** · 11-26-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by AI4LIFE

You want a top of the rotation pitcher? Get ready to pay for it, that simple.

but lester was not a top of the rotation pitcher last year. dont get me wrong, he's good, but not good enough to get a 300 hitter that can potentially hit 30-40 homeruns a year. plus lester will come with less control and a higher price tag. i would think the royals would want someone that is young and has 4-6 years of control still left.

**bruins>habs** · 11-26-2012, 10:49 PM

The Sox are going through a full rebuild right?? If you could get a potential stud power bat for an aging number 2 pitcher why wouldn't you ?

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