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    Giants and Wilson aren't seeing eye to eye -- Giants officially Non-tender Wilson

    The Giants continue to negotiate with free agents Marco Scutaro and Angel Pagan, who seem to be in no hurry to sign in a slow-moving market. Something could happen ahead of next weekís winter meetings in Nashville, or even at the meetings.

    However, the calendar provides a more pressing issue for the Giants and one of their iconic players, 2010 World Series hero Brian Wilson, and in the worst case Wilsonís days with his only professional organization could be over by Friday.

    From what I hear, Wilson and the team are not exactly seeing eye to eye.

    Friday is the deadline for teams to tender contracts to all unsigned players. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, any contract offer must be at least 80 percent of what a player made the year before. Wilson earned $8.5 million, so any offer for 2013 would have to be at least $6.8 million.

    From everything Iíve heard, the Giants do not intend to offer Wilson a $6.8 million guarantee after he missed the 2012 season (save for two games in April) with an elbow injury that required his second Tommy John surgery. Wilson has done a lot for the organization, particularly his shutdown work in the 2010 regular season and postseason. Heís made them a lot of money in beard merchandising, too. But the Giants believe thatís a lot of money for a pitcher whose future is so clouded by health.

    Wilson does not see his future as cloudy. He boasted during the World Series that he plans to be ready to pitch, for the Giants on Opening Day. Also, I was told today that Wilson has had no setbacks in his rehabilitation and continues to work out under the Giantsí supervision.

    Here is where it gets sticky.

    If the Giants do not tender Wilson a contract by Friday he becomes a free agent. Again, that seems likely to happen. The Giants still could sign Wilson and want to sign Wilson, Iím told. At that point the 80 percent rule does not apply anymore. The Giants even are willing to give Wilson a major-league contract, but at a low base salary ó several million dollars below $6.8 million ó with incentives that would pay him a much bigger check if he is able to pitch.

    But Iíve been told Wilson is not keen on that idea, partly because he has given so much to the organization, including the health of his arm in the pursuit of a championship, and feels he should be paid accordingly. Thatís completely understandable.

    As a free agent, Wilson could test the market and end his 10-year association with the Giants by signing elsewhere. But if the Giants truly are willing to give Wilson a big-league contract offer, that might be the only one he gets.

    Might another team swoop in and give Wilson that guarantee? In past years Iíd have said no chance, but this year seems different. Teams are flush with cash, the market for relievers is not exactly strong and some team itching to spend might take the risk based on Wilsonís excellence when he was healthy.

    There is a precedent this offseason.

    The Chicago Cubs signed former Twins starter Scott Baker to a one-year, $5.5 million contract after he missed all of 2012 after Tommy John surgery in April, the same month as Wilsonís operation. Baker is six months older than Wilson. The big difference is that Baker underwent his first Tommy John, not his second.

    As you can see, the Giants and Wilson have much to discuss between now and Friday.
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    So Anna, what do you think about the notion that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck?

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    I can see the Giants offering a 1-year deal with a higher mutual option for 2014.

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    We didn't need him in 2012, but it would be nice to have him in the pen still. But I can see the Giants not wanting to him that much, and letting him walk. He might get some bites, but I think he will sign with the Giants at a reduced rate.

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    Might another team swoop in and give Wilson that guarantee?
    I'm sure the Dodgers have a dude already waiting around to rush in with a $10 million offer on Saturday.

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    Thanks for the memories beardman

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    I'd like to see him stay, but if it doesn't happen then, well...we move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otatop:24469070
    Might another team swoop in and give Wilson that guarantee?
    I'm sure the Dodgers have a dude already waiting around to rush in with a $10 million offer on Saturday.
    we dont want him

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue bleeder09 View Post
    we dont want him
    Thank goodness! We have an official response from the Dodgers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stupidmop View Post
    Thank goodness! We have an official response from the Dodgers!
    You never know Magic Johnson might just be ready to offer Brian Wilson.

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    2nd Tommy John surgery in his career...50/50 chance he's not ready for opening day. Why would the Giants give him anything near 6.8 million? Marketing purposes aside, really doesn't make much sense to resign him if it's not realistic.

    Most guys are lucky to continue their career after a second surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue bleeder09 View Post
    we dont want him
    I highly doubt you have inside information regarding the Dodgers desire, or lack there of, to sign Wilson.
    So Anna, what do you think about the notion that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue bleeder09 View Post
    we dont want him
    Why not? You could've clinched the 2013 championship in 2012!
    Spending = Winning championships, remember?
    Today is the future that you have built (or neglected) yesterday.

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    Brian Wilson walking wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, certainly better than the Ginats overpaying considering he's a huge question-mark.



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    I'd offer him 2/6 or something in that area with some incentives. Maybe an extra year of security could be attractive to him. But if he thinks he's worth 7 mil or more then there's no way the Giants can bring him back. that'd be insane.

    Even his last healthy year wasn't particularly good, and his fastball in 2011 was down 1.5 MPH from 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcs15 View Post
    I'd offer him 2/6 or something in that area with some incentives. Maybe an extra year of security could be attractive to him. But if he thinks he's worth 7 mil or more then there's no way the Giants can bring him back. that'd be insane.

    Even his last healthy year wasn't particularly good, and his fastball in 2011 was down 1.5 MPH from 2010.
    The real question is does any GM in baseball think he's worth that?



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