Keep Colangelo long term
He sucks he needs to go
but if bargs has half a good season as a starter he could be traded. does B.C want to trade him or not is a different story. i dont think he will be as hesitant to move bargs now that jonas is here and showing us good signs of being a legit C.
-whens the last time the raptors could say they had a legit C
-lowry and calderon have to be the best pg combination in terms of depth
-ross, jonas, ed still very young and will only get better with time. you can even throw derozan in on that list.
when some of these guys hit their prime we could have a scary team.
fields in year 1 makes 5 million. year 2 he makes 5.2 million. the last year of his deal he makes 8.5 million which is what most have a problem with. but again that was strategic too because in the last year of his deal he will be an 8.5 million expiring contract..tradable asset or cap releif.
if you think about it fields is not making much more then kleiza, around the mid level until the final year of his contract..
Last edited by smith&wesson; 11-26-2012 at 04:52 PM.
“It’s about winning,” Stoudemire said. “You win, you’re going to get on national TV. Simple. In Phoenix, we won — Western Conference finals three, four years, playoffs every year. We won. If you don’t win, nobody really wants to see you.”
i had intended to build a giant spreadsheet of every player that has played for EVERY team in the period of time since BC has been our GM, the goal of which was to show what i thought would amount to pretty solid evidence that the man had no plan. i figured when people could see for themselves the ridiculous number of players that have passed through here compared to other teams it would open a few eyes.
sadly, it's taken way longer than expected. 2 and a half hours later and i've still only made it through 25 teams. i'll present my findings anyways.
Lakers - 42
Jazz - 46
Pistons - 47
Sixers - 52
Magic - 53
Pacers - 54
Hawks - 56
Bulls - 57
Nuggets - 57
Heat - 62
Thunder - 63
Blazers - 64 multiple GM's
Cavaliers - 65
Celtics - 66
Mavericks - 67
Grizzlies - 68
Bucks - 68
Rockets - 69
Hornets - 69
Bobcats - 69 - multiple GM's
Wolves - 70 - multiple GM's
Raptors - 71
Warriors - 79 - multiple GM's
Clippers - 80 - multiple GM's
Nets - 81 - multiple GM's
i still think it makes a pretty good case for why Colangelo should be removed. while there are 3 teams - so far, above our total, they've all had at least one GM change during that time period. it's fair to assume that the new GM probably wanted to change quite a few players off the roster he inherited.
so where is the vision?
Last edited by Jamiecballer; 11-26-2012 at 05:54 PM.
It's not exactly heart warming to know that BC is better than Babcock lol But, to be honest i would probably prefer to have a GM like Grunwalddid you like the team we had prior to B.C being here i sure as hell didnt. i think our team is in much better position to succeed in the future then what it was prior to brian coming here.
i remember V.C being shipped out for eric and aron williams, oh and also we had to pay alonzo like 10 mill to buy him out of his contract because he refused to play here.
if anything you guys should be hopeing and praying that brian stays and someone like babcock doesnt replace him.
Guy needs to go. I hope they struggle just so there is no chance he comes back.
Last edited by The Wise 1; 11-26-2012 at 06:09 PM.
I say keep him long term. He's able to build solid young base. But when he's pressured to do something big because he's on the last year of his deal (which have been like 2 year deals), we messes up and the organization takes 2 steps back. Give him 4 years.
1.he was instructed to build a team around bosh. I dont need to point out the problem with this because we all now know bosh is not a number one option.
2. yes he had the number one pick. in a draft where
-lamarcus aldridge drafted 2nd over all was projected to go first. a player very similar to bosh.
- rondo went 21st over all and no one imagined him being this good.
- brandon roy was reported to have knee problems and went 6th over all
- gay went 8th over all
coming away with bargs was honestly not that bad considering that no one knew rondo and gay were going to be this good and the fact that lamarcus aldridge's potential was considered to be bosh versian 2.0 at the time and brandon roy is thinking about retiring for the 2nd time now.
3. the following are what i would consider bad picks in that draft
- adam morrison selected 3rd
- tyrus thomas selected 4th
- sheldon williams selected 5th
- randy foy selected 7th
- patrick obryant 9th
- saer sene 10th
the draft itself wasnt very deep and we havent had a top 3 pick ever since. with the picks that we have had i think B.C has done a good job drafting.
Last edited by smith&wesson; 11-26-2012 at 06:11 PM.
i hate when ppl talk about this because we had like 3-4 euro players and the rest were all pretty much american born...
-calderon was here before B.C.
-garbajosa was a really good player and a fan favourite before he had that freak injury
- rasho was a good and productive C for us the first time around
anthony parker is an american born player
kris humphries is an emerican born player
bosh american born player
ford american born player
morris peterson american born
fred jones american born
juan dixon american born
joey graham american born
luke jackson american born
darrick martin american born
p.j tucker american born
pape sow african born
now in regards to the bolded statement how much of that was to please bosh and get him to stay ? a player that was drafted before B.C came in and a player that the owners wanted to keep and build around.
all players taken on in order please chris bosh and try to help him get out of the first round
Last edited by smith&wesson; 11-26-2012 at 06:41 PM.
I see the samething happening with Ross. In a couple years people will be making the same excuse for BC regarding Ross. Saying that he was the consensus pick at the time. back around draft time, the immediate reaction was that it was a stretch (and it is/was) and slowly but surely it became he was the right pick.