Yes, I support it
No, I don't support it
Other (no clue what this would be)
I find it to be a good thing to stray away from my kind at times. I don't like to inbreed or anything like that.
Religion pretty much is the only "sensible" argument...and since that's the case, keep it the **** out of our politics please. Any other argument to suggest that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed is, to be frank, a complete joke (not that the religious argument isn't either).
I no longer care about anything here except for the Entertainment Forum, which sucks; the Music forum, which sucks; and the Magic forum, which does NOT suck.
Except for all of y'all.
Last edited by flips333; 11-26-2012 at 07:43 PM.
Originally Posted by MrPoon
A true test for anyone who wants to work on sharpening their debating skills- pick a social issue you feel strongly about, and take the argument opposing your own, and see how successfully you can argue it.
I think if I were to debate this issue from the position opposite my own (anti- gay marriage), I would make an argument for the institution that is marriage in the religious context. Arguing instead that "marriage" be defined as being between a man and a woman, as defined by church doctrine, and has been for centuries. I would argue that the definition of marriage today has been bastardized by secular groups attempting to delegitimize the term. I would then argue that while gay couples may be granted the right by indiviidual states to join in a civil union, marriages are essentiall civil unions observed by the church. So the two would be legally identical in every respect with the exception of the term, and observance by the church. This might avoid constitutional issues reating disparity between the two terms.
I feel like I need a shower after proposing this as an argument, but if I were to have to make that argument, this would be the tact I would take. However, I still see an issue with the fourth ammendment.
see, it comes back to definitions.
Marriage was before the eyes of the Judeo-christian God.
The fact that states then co-opded the Term is where the divisivness is rooted.
@ longhorn. Im going to try and help you out here because I understand some of your angst.
There are many, many Gay people that I disliked a great deal.
The flamboyantly over the top,in your face crap...really offends me.
Be whoever you want, just dont shove it in my face every chance you get.
I feel that a lot of race relations have the same unfortunate dynamic.
I have been in the company of quite a few Blacks , who happily victimize everyone in their communities,I actually heard a guy tell a story of watching some lady putting her purchases into her car as he walked by, and she forgot to put a DVD player underneath the cart into her trunk.
Rather then pointing out her mistake, he quietly watched her drive away and then ran to the cart and took the Item.
He was telling some of his friends that GOD had left it there for him,and they were all in agreement.
See, I really hate that many people in that community feel that way and do those things ,just like I dont like when a Gay man makes a pass a me unconcerned about my sexuality.
But you simply cannot hold everyone accountable for the actions of individuals based on a perception of Likeness.
Your kind is that black man and that gay man, longhorn..hopefully one day you will understand that.
I also want to "Gulp" jump in here to defend longhornfan... What he says is actually an honest statement that is true, not just for him but also for humans. We like to be with our own "kind" for some this is race, or sex orientation or liberals, or you name it. Lord knows I have Gay friends who rarely hang out with straight people. When you have shared knowledge, and a shard culture it makes life and communication easier. there is a level of comfort etc. with these folks. It sounds racist or homophobic when one is in the majority and they say it (and when they say it as bluntly and as insensitive as Longhorn did). But it's true of all of us. Seriously if you are liberal and educated, aren't most of your friends and people you interact with liberal and educated? Even if you are like me and have the urge to hang out with people of different backgrounds and cultures, in order for that to result in anything of a meaningful relationship that other person has to want to hang out with people of different backgrounds and culture... thus we are of the same "kind".
Last edited by flips333; 11-26-2012 at 07:45 PM.
Originally Posted by MrPoon