The Official 2012-2013 New York Yankees Offseason Thread II

[Yankee Clipper]

Continue the discussion here.

[rrzubnyy]

Continue the discussion here.

What happen to the trade and rumors thread?

[Yankee Clipper]

What happen to the trade and rumors thread?

Closed it. Too much discussion was overlapping in both threads so just use this thread as both.

[LeoYankee]

I'd like to make sure this thread knows that Swisher stinks.

Carry on...

[TheBadOwl]

Saw this gem in the last thread.

Yanks get: Stanton and some AAA pitcher

Marlins get: Nova, Banuelos, Romine, Austin, and low-A player to be announced.

Go Cashman go...

Which led to someone saying the Marlins would laugh hysterically at that offer. The poster then replied:

No they won't. The owner is an idiot in case you have not noticed. They get a nice haul.

The owner is not an idiot. A crook, yes, but not an idiot. He shed a TON of payroll and now has quite possibly the best farm system in baseball. In a few years, that team will be exciting. Three or four years from now, we could see an NL East championship from that team. Keep in mind that Josh Johnson has major injury problems, Buerhle hasn't been effective for a few years, and Reyes's contract is gigantic, and he has some big injury problems as well.

So, in exchange for one year of an injury-prone Johnson, an albatross contract in Buerhle, an average starting catcher, and Reyes, who has some huge question marks of his own, and a good utility guy, here's what they got:

1) Jake Marsinek, who could end up being what the Reds wanted Stubbs to be. Great defense, good bat, great speed. He's like their Mason Williams, but without quite as high of a ceiling, and a lot closer to the big leagues
2) Justin Nicolino, one of the best lefty starter prospects in baseball, who could end up as a #2 starter.
3) Henderson Alvarez, who could be a mid-rotation starter or a very good reliever. All depends on if he can develop a third pitch.
4) Adeiny Hechavarria, who is a great defensive shortstop, young, and could develop a bat as he ages. Should end up being a starter.
5) Yunel Escobar. Head case, but talented. Can play second, third, or short, and has the bat and defense to stick at any of those spots. Potentially above average, but with a very high floor as well. Also makes a good trade chip for a contender.
6) Jeff Mathis, who admittedly is terrible, but is a good placeholder and is cheap as a catcher.
7) Anthony DeSclafani, who is a hard-throwing reliever.

And the biggest part: With the exception of Escobar and maybe Mathis, all of those guys are pre-arb, and will make league minimum for years. They got a ton of talent in that deal, and in the deals involving Hanley/Anibal/Infante/etc... Jacob Turner, anyone? Kid is going to be a stud.

Of course, the tradeoff here is that the Miami fanbase possibly won't ever forgive him or embrace the team, and that they won't be competitive for a few years. But Loria is by no means an idiot.

So can we stop with the terrible Marlins-related trade proposals? Please?

Being realistic, it'll probably take a few good prospects to get LoMo. Not anyone like Heathcott/Williams/Sanchez/Austin, but still a decent haul. He's still pre-arb. They're in no hurry to get rid of LoMo. Nolasco is a good option who WOULD come cheap, but will only be pursued if Pettitte decides not to come back.

As for Stanton, well, unless Cashman can get VERY creative in a three-way trade, we'll definitely say goodbye to AT LEAST three of Williams/Heathcott/Sanchez/Austin, in addition to someone like Nunez, and Nova, and then even more. If it happens, great, but I won't hold my breath. Stanton hasn't even hit arbitration yet, and he's one of the best players in the game. Among position players, the only two who probably have higher trade value are Trout and Harper.

But yeah, again, let's not make stupid trade proposals here.

[TrueYankee]

Saw this gem in the last thread.



Which led to someone saying the Marlins would laugh hysterically at that offer. The poster then replied:



The owner is not an idiot. A crook, yes, but not an idiot. He shed a TON of payroll and now has quite possibly the best farm system in baseball. In a few years, that team will be exciting. Three or four years from now, we could see an NL East championship from that team. Keep in mind that Josh Johnson has major injury problems, Buerhle hasn't been effective for a few years, and Reyes's contract is gigantic, and he has some big injury problems as well.

So, in exchange for one year of an injury-prone Johnson, an albatross contract in Buerhle, an average starting catcher, and Reyes, who has some huge question marks of his own, and a good utility guy, here's what they got:

1) Jake Marsinek, who could end up being what the Reds wanted Stubbs to be. Great defense, good bat, great speed. He's like their Mason Williams, but without quite as high of a ceiling, and a lot closer to the big leagues
2) Justin Nicolino, one of the best lefty starter prospects in baseball, who could end up as a #2 starter.
3) Henderson Alvarez, who could be a mid-rotation starter or a very good reliever. All depends on if he can develop a third pitch.
4) Adeiny Hechavarria, who is a great defensive shortstop, young, and could develop a bat as he ages. Should end up being a starter.
5) Yunel Escobar. Head case, but talented. Can play second, third, or short, and has the bat and defense to stick at any of those spots. Potentially above average, but with a very high floor as well. Also makes a good trade chip for a contender.
6) Jeff Mathis, who admittedly is terrible, but is a good placeholder and is cheap as a catcher.
7) Anthony DeSclafani, who is a hard-throwing reliever.

And the biggest part: With the exception of Escobar and maybe Mathis, all of those guys are pre-arb, and will make league minimum for years. They got a ton of talent in that deal, and in the deals involving Hanley/Anibal/Infante/etc... Jacob Turner, anyone? Kid is going to be a stud.

Of course, the tradeoff here is that the Miami fanbase possibly won't ever forgive him or embrace the team, and that they won't be competitive for a few years. But Loria is by no means an idiot.

So can we stop with the terrible Marlins-related trade proposals? Please?

Being realistic, it'll probably take a few good prospects to get LoMo. Not anyone like Heathcott/Williams/Sanchez/Austin, but still a decent haul. He's still pre-arb. They're in no hurry to get rid of LoMo. Nolasco is a good option who WOULD come cheap, but will only be pursued if Pettitte decides not to come back.

As for Stanton, well, unless Cashman can get VERY creative in a three-way trade, we'll definitely say goodbye to AT LEAST three of Williams/Heathcott/Sanchez/Austin, in addition to someone like Nunez, and Nova, and then even more. If it happens, great, but I won't hold my breath. Stanton hasn't even hit arbitration yet, and he's one of the best players in the game. Among position players, the only two who probably have higher trade value are Trout and Harper.

But yeah, again, let's not make stupid trade proposals here.

When I called the Marlins manager an idiot, I meant it in the context of crook. How can you make promises to players of not getting traded and suddenly trade them like that? Not only do you should dishonesty within the organization, but you show up the fans. I guarantee attendance will be a record low this season for the Marlins and possibly years to come. You can say whatever you want about the prospects they got in return. Until they prove themselves to be MLB ready, this team is going to SUCK for years to come and the general managers is held accountable. And don't say he won a World Series back in 2003, cause that was done by the previous general manager in Dombrowski.

As for Stanton, I did not realize he still had all those arb years. If that's the case, he would definitely require to trade the prospects you had mentioned, plus more. But if Cashman can work a deal to get them to say yes, I'll be all over it.

[TheUltimateGM]

Sorry to bug you guys again (this will be the last time for a while), but how likely would it be that the Yankees look to trade Cano this offseason, given the way he ended the year last year and his impending free agency next year? Would this be close Cano for Howie Kendrick/Kaleb Cowart (Angels #1 prospect - 3B to replace ARod)?

[LeoYankee]

Sorry to bug you guys again (this will be the last time for a while), but how likely would it be that the Yankees look to trade Cano this offseason, given the way he ended the year last year and his impending free agency next year? Would this be close Cano for Howie Kendrick/Kaleb Cowart (Angels #1 prospect - 3B to replace ARod)?

Sure, if u take Arod as well. And his loot.

[Harry Dunn]

Saw this gem in the last thread.



Which led to someone saying the Marlins would laugh hysterically at that offer. The poster then replied:



The owner is not an idiot. A crook, yes, but not an idiot. He shed a TON of payroll and now has quite possibly the best farm system in baseball. In a few years, that team will be exciting. Three or four years from now, we could see an NL East championship from that team. Keep in mind that Josh Johnson has major injury problems, Buerhle hasn't been effective for a few years, and Reyes's contract is gigantic, and he has some big injury problems as well.

So, in exchange for one year of an injury-prone Johnson, an albatross contract in Buerhle, an average starting catcher, and Reyes, who has some huge question marks of his own, and a good utility guy, here's what they got:

1) Jake Marsinek, who could end up being what the Reds wanted Stubbs to be. Great defense, good bat, great speed. He's like their Mason Williams, but without quite as high of a ceiling, and a lot closer to the big leagues
2) Justin Nicolino, one of the best lefty starter prospects in baseball, who could end up as a #2 starter.
3) Henderson Alvarez, who could be a mid-rotation starter or a very good reliever. All depends on if he can develop a third pitch.
4) Adeiny Hechavarria, who is a great defensive shortstop, young, and could develop a bat as he ages. Should end up being a starter.
5) Yunel Escobar. Head case, but talented. Can play second, third, or short, and has the bat and defense to stick at any of those spots. Potentially above average, but with a very high floor as well. Also makes a good trade chip for a contender.
6) Jeff Mathis, who admittedly is terrible, but is a good placeholder and is cheap as a catcher.
7) Anthony DeSclafani, who is a hard-throwing reliever.

And the biggest part: With the exception of Escobar and maybe Mathis, all of those guys are pre-arb, and will make league minimum for years. They got a ton of talent in that deal, and in the deals involving Hanley/Anibal/Infante/etc... Jacob Turner, anyone? Kid is going to be a stud.

Of course, the tradeoff here is that the Miami fanbase possibly won't ever forgive him or embrace the team, and that they won't be competitive for a few years. But Loria is by no means an idiot.

So can we stop with the terrible Marlins-related trade proposals? Please?

Being realistic, it'll probably take a few good prospects to get LoMo. Not anyone like Heathcott/Williams/Sanchez/Austin, but still a decent haul. He's still pre-arb. They're in no hurry to get rid of LoMo. Nolasco is a good option who WOULD come cheap, but will only be pursued if Pettitte decides not to come back.

As for Stanton, well, unless Cashman can get VERY creative in a three-way trade, we'll definitely say goodbye to AT LEAST three of Williams/Heathcott/Sanchez/Austin, in addition to someone like Nunez, and Nova, and then even more. If it happens, great, but I won't hold my breath. Stanton hasn't even hit arbitration yet, and he's one of the best players in the game. Among position players, the only two who probably have higher trade value are Trout and Harper.

But yeah, again, let's not make stupid trade proposals here.

not to say your rant is incorrect and I certainly don't mean to nitpick, but I couldn't let the Buehrle comment slide. He is about as consistent as it gets.

[Yankee Clipper]

Via Nick Cafardo: The Yankees are one of many teams to inquire about the availability of outfielder Giancarlo Stanton in the wake of the Marlins’ fire sale/blockbuster with the Blue Jays. The Phillies, Red Sox, Orioles, and Cubs have also put a call in to Miami.

Stanton, who just turned 23 earlier this month, is a career .270/.350/.533 (140 wRC+) hitter with 93 homers in 373 games. He hit .290/.361/.608 (153 wRC+) with 37 homers in 501 plate appearances this season while battling right knee (surgery to remove loose bodies) and oblique problems. Stanton is under team control through 2016 and is a true franchise player, the kind of guy the Yankees should go all out to acquire if he’s actually available. The Marlins have not yet made any indication that he is, unfortunately.

http://riveraveblues.com/2012/11/caf...stanton-79548/

[Yankee Clipper]

Even if the Yankees were able to offer a deal for Stanton that the Marlins liked, I guarantee there are plenty of other teams out there that could top our offer with ease if they wanted to.

[jd25213]

I'd like to make sure this thread knows that Swisher stinks.

Carry on...

Too bad he's the best RFer available.

[TheBadOwl]

not to say your rant is incorrect and I certainly don't mean to nitpick, but I couldn't let the Buehrle comment slide. He is about as consistent as it gets.

I never said anything about inconsistent, but he's already 33 and his stuff is declining. He's going to be paid a reasonable $11MM this year before it goes up to $18MM and $19MM in 2014 and 2015. Think about that, they'll be paying a soft-tossing 36-year-old lefty $19MM in 2015, in the best division in baseball. Again, it helps them immediately, but I don't think this deal is as good for Toronto as everyone says.

[rrzubnyy]

Even if the Yankees were able to offer a deal for Stanton that the Marlins liked, I guarantee there are plenty of other teams out there that could top our offer with ease if they wanted to.

He would be the big righthanded bat that would compliment Cano but it would dry up the farm in doing so, not worth it unless Hal opens up the wallet to supplement the lost pieces thru the trade with more free agents and then lost draft picks as well.....is he worth drying up the farm for? I say no. They need to develop their own Giancarlo Stanton...oh they did, he got us broken down horse in return from the great northwest.

[rrzubnyy]

I never said anything about inconsistent, but he's already 33 and his stuff is declining. He's going to be paid a reasonable $11MM this year before it goes up to $18MM and $19MM in 2014 and 2015. Think about that, they'll be paying a soft-tossing 36-year-old lefty $19MM in 2015, in the best division in baseball. Again, it helps them immediately, but I don't think this deal is as good for Toronto as everyone says.

Don't underestimate a savvy veteran starter.....these kind can pitch into their late 30's with success.