Last edited by westside; 12-07-2012 at 08:22 PM.
It seems whether Prado can be a consistent leadoff hitter IS the argument, because otherwise, people wouldn't be obsessed with acquiring someone ELSE who can lead off. Prado has done it before with success, he's right under your nose yet you're looking elsewhere.Originally Posted by westside
Example: Bat Prado first, then Simmons second (or someone with more power at the #2 spot like Heyward or Upton or whomever) and then slot the rest of the lineup from there.
My point about Bourn/slap hitters is the Braves already have guys with little power who can leadoff (Prado, for example), so they don't need any ADDITIONAL ones. What they need to do is focus on adding another player who can consistently drive in runs, hence the laughable Team Batting AVG with RISP provided by the "plethora of homerun hitters" from last season. BJ Upton, while good, is not enough, because as the Braves' 2012 numbers show, this team has a LONG way to go when it comes to capitalizing with runners on.
Last edited by Bravo95; 12-07-2012 at 10:55 PM.
to be honest, we have 1 decent lead-off hitter. simba won't tear it up as he did for less than 25% of the season. if we hit prado at 1, we have a huge question mark at 2 before getting to the meat of our line-up. then we have a potentially iffy catcher (can't count on laird to hit consistently and when bmac returns, he's a question mark) and uggla and pitcher's spot. the best thing to do is get one more OBP guy because only until mccann comes and only if he's more like he was 3 years ago will we have a scary line-up. if your 7-9 guys are a bad hitting catcher, a failing power only guy, and pitcher, we won't live with a hr only at the #1. with our question marks... take the safer and cheaper route with bonifacio.
we struck out enough last year and will strike out plenty again this year. the absolute last thing we need is a another 30 hr/ high k hitter. we need a kid with a very bright future or high obp, hands down. we shouldn't even have a convo with db's about justin, anyway. not what we need. and we sure as hell shouldn't give them 2 starters for him.
Last edited by chipurmunki; 12-08-2012 at 02:47 PM.
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A theme I've seen on the board is that "the Braves have to get better to compete with the best in the NL." The Braves were only 4 games behind the team with the best record in baseball. Last season seemed to be more about bad luck with the new playoff format and a team in the division playing almost optimum baseball. It sucks, but there shouldn't be too much desperation.
It should be another close battle between the Braves and the Nats considering the Braves allowed 6 more runs for the whole season and scored 31 fewer. I don't think the Nats win over 95 again this season.
And that's why they are misguided, and I don't understand why Braves fans have suddenly bought in with what the front office wants, according to beat writers. I get that some folks in here will go along with whatever Wren and Co. say, but this regime has no recent playoff success to fall back on -- the Braves have not been out of the first round since 2001 and the tradition of getting eliminated on their homefield has continued the last handful of seasons -- so I don't get why it's so difficult for them to question an organization that in many ways has become a laughing stock for its mistakes and blown opportunities.Originally Posted by westside
Let me throw some names at you:
Derek Jeter and Ian Kinsler -- leadoff hitters for arguably the top two offenses in baseball over the last few years, both made it to the World Series in that role and neither player is a prototypical leadoff guy in the traditional sense. Jeter specifically spent much of his career batting second for a great offensive club, still gets it done batting first.
The Cards' offense has been pretty good, correct? Jon Jay hit leadoff a number of times for them, including against us in the play-in game, he's not a traditional leadoff hitter. They reached the NLCS, after having won it all the previous season.
The Brewers had a good offense for years with Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart as their leadoff hitters. Weeks wasn't much of a stolen base threat, only had 20+ steals once in his career, and Hart certainly isn't the prototypical guy, and they recently made it to the NLCS. The Nats had a better offense than the Braves in 2012. Jayson Werth was their leadoff hitter, and when he was hurt, it was Steve Lombardozzi.
All of these situations where good offensive clubs went with a non-traditional leadoff guy, and had enough sense to beef up the rest of their lineup. You want speed? We got Upton. I used to believe speed was everything at the top of the lineup, but all that is really required is to get on base and be a smart baserunner, Prado (and others) can do that. I have always wanted a more aggressive team on the bases, that shouldn't fall on just one or two guys stealing bases while everyone else plays station to station -- it's an approach that the entire team needs to have, and the manager has to have that aggressive mentality. Other organizations have found success that way, both in the regular season AND playoffs.
Who said it had to be "another 30 hr/ high k hitter"?Originally Posted by chipurmunki
Are Braves fans gonna continue blaming that chokejob on the format (and the infield fly rule)? The same format that 3 other teams had to deal with? Even though the Braves were on their home field. And had their best pitcher on the mound. Eventually, fans have to quit making excuses for a team that continues to beat themselves when the competition gets tougher. No "bad luck" involved, all 30 teams knew the consequences of not winning their division from the beginning, and the Braves wouldn't have been in that situation had they not stuck with guys like Pastornicky and Jurrjens when they were obviously costing this team early wins, two bad decisions that came back to haunt them.Originally Posted by iamaj
Last edited by Bravo95; 12-08-2012 at 12:32 PM.
How is a 1 game playoff justifiable when one team is 6 games better than the other? Under the old format, the Braves would have gone to Cincinnati. They could have won that series.
Also, the Braves gained 5 wins over 2011. They got better, and that was with Hanson struggling, Jurrjens getting 10 starts, McCann hurt, Uggla's power loss and only 50 games of Simmons. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to improve, but it is not as if they were some 81-81 club that just can't get it together.
Alejandro De Aza would be a nice pick up. What would it take to get him?
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Really, all we need is another decent obp guy with speed so we can manufacture runs. We cant assume anything with anybody this season. We should just get someone we know can steal bags and leadoff pretty good. a 94 win team doesn't need to start re-arranging everybody. We could still get good production with everybody coming back and a few additions. Freeman,Heyward,Simmons, and Prado will be the catalyst for this team. All we're missing is someone who can keep prado in the 2 hole. A lineup that has good players 1-8 is better than one that is top heavy with easy outs at the back.
Not opening Day of course, but that is a pretty good lineup IF everybody can do what they do. A fast, young, run producing lineup.Either way you're going to have 2 LH's back to back, or 2 RH's back to back. Im done, but this is what i want to see.