Should the Royals trade Wil Myers?

**Young2Kinsler** · 11-25-2012, 12:24 AM

Wonder if Derek Holland would interest them.

**MetsFanatic19** · 11-25-2012, 12:24 AM

If they could get a great deal, then yeah.

There are R.A Dickey for Wil Myers swap rumors.

I'm not sure that's a "great" deal.

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 01:04 AM

I guess anythings possible with the offseason the Royals are having but i would hope for KC Royals fan's sake they would draw the line at Myers.

I know Dickey is the reigning Cy Young winner but they are possibly trading 14-15 years of greatness with Myers for at the most 3 or 4 with Dickey (and that might be very generous)

I would really think a deal for Myers would have to be Wheeler and another lower level arm.

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Moroni

Disagree, if you trade for the NL cy young award winner you gotta pay big. If KC is built to win now, dickey is the starter to trade for. A Bonafide front of the rotation pitcher.

Bonafide? He's had 1 good season and probably didn't even deserve the cy young this year. If I'm trading Myers I'm going after someone like Felix Hernandez, not Dickey

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by gaughan333

Bonafide? He's had 1 good season and probably didn't even deserve the cy young this year. If I'm trading Myers I'm going after someone like Felix Hernandez, not Dickey

He's had 3 good seasons since coming over to the Mets.

His cumulative ERA the last 3 years is 2.95, that's certainly up there with some of better SP in the majors over that time.

He's not a one year wonder, it's just his age will be a concerning factor to any team who inquires about him.

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

He's had 3 good seasons since coming over to the Mets.

His cumulative ERA the last 3 years is 2.95, that's certainly up there with some of better SP in the majors over that time.

He's not a one year wonder, it's just his age will be a concerning factor to any team who inquires about him.

Yup ERA is the best way to judge a pitcher...

I'll admit now that WAR is not an end all stat, but is a nice composition for a total season.

He was 3rd in rWAR this year for national league pitchers, didn't place in the top 10 in 2011, and didn't place in the top 10 for 2010.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-leaders.shtml

fWAR 2.8, 2.4, 4.6 2010-2012
bWAR 3.4, 3.1, 5.6 2010-2012

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...245&position=P

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...icker.01.shtml

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by gaughan333

Yup ERA is the best way to judge a pitcher...

I'll admit now that WAR is not an end all stat, but is a nice composition for a total season.

He was 3rd in rWAR this year for national league pitchers, didn't place in the top 10 in 2011, and didn't place in the top 10 for 2010.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-leaders.shtml

fWAR 2.8, 2.4, 4.6 2010-2012
bWAR 3.4, 3.1, 5.6 2010-2012

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...245&position=P

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...icker.01.shtml

You were the one who said he had "one good season" and although ERA isn't the best qualifier that's still a decent statistic to evaluate a pitcher's performance.

You give me a list of sub 3 ERA guys over the last 3 years and i am sure Dickey's name is among a very good group of pitchers. Even his cumulative FIP over the last 3 seasons is just nearly 3.6, i mean all of those variables suggest he has been good to very good (the latter this season) since coming over to the Mets in 2010.

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

You were the one who said he had "one good season" and although ERA isn't the best qualifier that's still a decent statistic to evaluate a pitcher's performance.

You give me a list of sub 3 ERA guys over the last 3 years and i am sure Dickey's name is on a pretty impressive list of guys. Even his cumulative FIP over the last 3 seasons is just nearly 3.6, i mean all of those variables suggest he has been good to very good (the latter this season) since coming over to the Mets in 2010.

I just showed you, he was 3rd this year in the NL, not even baseball in WAR and wasn't in the top 10 in the NL the 2 years prior. That does not, in my opinion count as good years. Especially not those you'd trade for a guy like Myers. Perhaps you and I have a different idea what counts as good

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:23 AM

ERA
2012 4th

2011 25

2010 10th

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by gaughan333

I just showed you, he was 3rd this year in the NL, not even baseball in WAR and wasn't in the top 10 in the NL the 2 years prior. That does not, in my opinion count as good years. Especially not those you'd trade for a guy like Myers. Perhaps you and I have a different idea what counts as good

I am not suggesting Dickey would get the job done for Myers.

I was responding Metsfanatic's post about their being rumors about a possible deal involving Dickey and Myers.

My opinion on the matter is the only way the Mets get Myers is if they part with Wheeler plus another lower level arm (considering how bad the Royals need pitching)

As for Dickey having good years, i don't know how you wouldn't consider 2010 a good season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...245&position=P

Even 2011, his record was hurt by a lack of run support but his overall numbers were good over 208 innings.

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:28 AM

dips

2012- 12
2011 - not in top 40
2010 - 37

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

I am not suggesting Dickey would get the job done for Myers.

I was responding Metsfanatic's post about their being rumors about a possible deal involving Dickey and Myers.

My opinion on the matter is the only way the Mets get Myers is if they part with Wheeler plus another lower level arm (considering how bad the Royals need pitching)

As for Dickey having good years, i don't know how you wouldn't consider 2010 a good season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...245&position=P

Even 2011, his record was hurt by a lack of run support but his overall numbers were good over 208 innings.

see below your post

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by gaughan333

ERA
2012 4th

2011 25

2010 10th

Those represent good numbers especially being top 10 ERA wise in the NL two of three seasons.

And again how many pitchers have had sub 3 ERAs in the majors over the last 3 seasons cumulatively?

How doesn't that qualify him as a "good" pitcher?

**gaughan333** · 11-25-2012, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

Those represent good numbers especially being top 10 ERA wise in the NL two of three seasons.

guess we have different standards for what counts as good. Probably because I'm looking at this more from a "he's not good enough to headline a Myers package". Also, ERA is a pretty crappy stat to base your judgment of a pitcher on

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by gaughan333

guess we have different standards for what counts as good. Probably because I'm looking at this more from a "he's not good enough to headline a Myers package". Also, ERA is a pretty crappy stat to base your judgment of a pitcher on

If we want to use FIP and XFIP, he is still a quality pitcher either way.

And remember his FIP is certainly skewed to some degree because knuckleballers tend to give up more home runs than your fastball slider type guy with similar success.

Again, i never suggested Dickey for Myers was conceivable.

It's a rumor that's out there, but my opinion is the only way the Mets could acquire Myers would be through Wheeler (or Harvey but they would be more inclined to deal Wheeler)

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