Coleman: Mets Reaching Critical Point In Wright, Dickey Negotiations

**Raspy44** · 11-25-2012, 03:34 PM

Yeah I am not sure what to think about the timing. I never thought it would get done as quickly as some of the rumors said...like end of the WS stuff. Wright even said at the end of the year that he wanted to have some time to talk things over with his family and agents and such. And after just finishing the season it seemed likely players would want to take a break of sorts.

But now we are starting to get relatively far into the FA period...and the time when a lot of moves are made. Not that the Mets are likely to be big factors in the FA market anyway, but it was said that signing Wright and Dickey were their main priorities and that what happens with them could influence the other moves they make. So at somepoint soon it seems that they'd want to have a resolution to those decisions so they can do whatever else they decide to do. And the longer this goes on the more pessimistic I become that it might not get done

**macattack** · 11-25-2012, 08:33 PM

we all really don't know anything for sure. just cuz either side isn't talking to the press doesn't mean nothing is happening. though cuz there is no talking to the press they start writting things of which they have no knowledge of. so pretty much sit back and relax.

**metro $** · 11-25-2012, 08:59 PM

Does any Mets fan think that signing both is a good idea long term? Or currently? We have no offense outside of Wright (homeruns for Davis) and that wont likely change if we sign both. There is no other legitimate player to trade other than our two young pitchers. Either Wright or Dickey brings back legitimate major league players in return that can help us be more competitive. if Wheeler and Harvey are both legit we have great staff going forward. Need young offensive players without trading young talent.

**gmanthree15** · 11-25-2012, 10:18 PM

Losing/trading Dickey because of age fears can at least be argued as a sensible move, letting Wright leave would be indefensible. If they are afraid about the final years of the deal then just completely front-load the deal so he will only be making 12 or so million in those final seasons. This of course is only an option for a team that isn't the MLB equivalent of living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to pay him 25 million a year in the first 2 years of the deal.

He will be an elite 3B for the next 5 years, and then he will be at least a serviceable 1B/3B for the final years of the deal. I'm not worried about a production drop-off unless he gets another concussion and becomes afraid at the plate again.

**Cosmic_Canon** · 11-25-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by metro $

Does any Mets fan think that signing both is a good idea long term? Or currently? We have no offense outside of Wright (homeruns for Davis) and that wont likely change if we sign both. There is no other legitimate player to trade other than our two young pitchers. Either Wright or Dickey brings back legitimate major league players in return that can help us be more competitive. if Wheeler and Harvey are both legit we have great staff going forward. Need young offensive players without trading young talent.

Well I said it a million times, but to truly improve this team, it's either by adding pieces through FA within a year(we don't even need Hamilton, Melky and Pierre would of did the trick, and wouldn't have cost no more than 10 mil) or moving Wright and Dickey and investing in the draft and International Free Agency.If the Mets are willing to spend in 2014(at least 25 mil), than resign Dickey and Wright and go after Corey Hart and Kendry in 2014, if not move these guys and start locking up young guys after they have a few good years while signing high potential guys in IFA and the draft.

**metswon69** · 11-25-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cosmic_Canon

Well I said it a million times, but to truly improve this team, it's either by adding pieces through FA within a year(we don't even need Hamilton, Melky and Pierre would of did the trick, and wouldn't have cost no more than 10 mil) or moving Wright and Dickey and investing in the draft and International Free Agency.If the Mets are willing to spend in 2014(at least 25 mil), than resign Dickey and Wright and go after Corey Hart and Kendry in 2014, if not move these guys and start locking up young guys after they have a few good years while signing high potential guys in IFA and the draft.

It's about acquiring the right players too.

Although Melky and Pierre would upgrade the OF, the question is for how much and for how long?

Pierre get's a one year deal essentially having the same fWAR value as Andres Torres (and needs to be platooned like Torres) and Melky is still unproven with the cloud of PEDS over his head.

He wasn't a particularly good player till he was in KC in 2011, and could very well go back to the player he was on the Braves and Yankees next year.

If they are waiting for a guy like Ellsbury and/or Hart in FA in 2014, so be it but they have to start making a commitment somewhere (thats what makes people so worried about the perceived lack of progress with Wright and Dickey)

Whether its in the draft specifically getting better draft personnel to find more productive players in later rounds, more investment into the IFA market, or looking to be spenders again in FA after this season, something needs to be done.

Stagnation is the worst thing this team can keep doing.

**Cosmic_Canon** · 11-26-2012, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

It's about acquiring the right players too.

Although Melky and Pierre would upgrade the OF, the question is for how much and for how long?

Pierre get's a one year deal essentially having the same fWAR value as Andres Torres (and needs to be platooned like Torres) and Melky is still unproven with the cloud of PEDS over his head.

He wasn't a particularly good player till he was in KC in 2011, and could very well go back to the player he was on the Braves and Yankees next year.

If they are waiting for a guy like Ellsbury and/or Hart in FA in 2014, so be it but they have to start making a commitment somewhere (thats what makes people so worried about the perceived lack of progress with Wright and Dickey)

Whether its in the draft specifically getting better draft personnel to find more productive players in later rounds, more investment into the IFA market, or looking to be spenders again in FA after this season, something needs to be done.

Stagnation is the worst thing this team can keep doing.

Melky, based on prior years is a .330/414 SLG guy at worst, however it's pretty reasonable to expect .330 OBP/.450 SLG w/ mediocre defense in LF w/ 10-15 SB's. Not phenomenal, but a decent #2 or #5 hitter, while Pierre would give us 20+ SB's playing every other day. Platoon Pierre w/ Duda, while Kirk and Melk roam CF and LF, and that's at least a 80 win team. If you throw in 2-3 mil for a few bullpen guys, then you might get lucky and win 85, maybe 90 if someone has a somewhat surprising year(Duda posts .340 OBP/.450 SLG, or Kirk posts .330 OBP/.420 SLG/15 SB's).

**metswon69** · 11-26-2012, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic_Canon

Melky, based on prior years is a .330/414 SLG guy at worst, however it's pretty reasonable to expect .330 OBP/.450 SLG w/ mediocre defense in LF w/ 10-15 SB's. Not phenomenal, but a decent #2 or #5 hitter, while Pierre would give us 20+ SB's playing every other day. Platoon Pierre w/ Duda, while Kirk and Melk roam CF and LF, and that's at least a 80 win team. If you throw in 2-3 mil for a few bullpen guys, then you might get lucky and win 85, maybe 90 if someone has a somewhat surprising year(Duda posts .340 OBP/.450 SLG, or Kirk posts .330 OBP/.420 SLG/15 SB's).

But those type of moves have no effect in the long term and it seems like that is the direction this team is looking towards.

Melky Cabrera was essentially a 1 rWAR type player before going over to KC, nothing of significant impact and you can really say the same about Pierre last year with his inability to hit LHP (same rWAR value as Andres Torres as hard as that is to believe)

I understand your point that little moves here and there could help but they are only short term solutions.

This team needs much longer term ones especially in the OF.

**fanofclendennon** · 11-26-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by metro $

Does any Mets fan think that signing both is a good idea long term? Or currently? We have no offense outside of Wright (homeruns for Davis) and that wont likely change if we sign both. There is no other legitimate player to trade other than our two young pitchers. Either Wright or Dickey brings back legitimate major league players in return that can help us be more competitive. if Wheeler and Harvey are both legit we have great staff going forward. Need young offensive players without trading young talent.

They need to extend Dickey and Wright unless they can get a haul for either.

**Claymation** · 11-26-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by metswon69

It's about acquiring the right players too.

Although Melky and Pierre would upgrade the OF, the question is for how much and for how long?

Pierre get's a one year deal essentially having the same fWAR value as Andres Torres (and needs to be platooned like Torres) and Melky is still unproven with the cloud of PEDS over his head.

He wasn't a particularly good player till he was in KC in 2011, and could very well go back to the player he was on the Braves and Yankees next year.

If they are waiting for a guy like Ellsbury and/or Hart in FA in 2014, so be it but they have to start making a commitment somewhere (thats what makes people so worried about the perceived lack of progress with Wright and Dickey)

Whether its in the draft specifically getting better draft personnel to find more productive players in later rounds, more investment into the IFA market, or looking to be spenders again in FA after this season, something needs to be done.

Stagnation is the worst thing this team can keep doing.

Yes, being Stagnate would be unwise.

**Rio40** · 11-26-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by clayamtion

Yes, being Stagnate would be unwise.

Thats my biggest fear for this team. If Wright and Dickey play this year out unsigned, its going to be a long time until this team gets good again.

**FloridaMetFan** · 11-26-2012, 11:06 AM

This is really absurd. The Mets would be best served if they move quickly and sign both to market priced deals. Its really the only move. The can at least appease the fan base for the moment and show some loyalty to Wright for all he has done for the organization. They can lock up Dickey to a reasonable deal (which could look like a great deal after the winter meetings). Then they can always trade them if that is the rout they want to go.
I think it would only add value to have them under reasonable contracts for the next few years - teams would be better able to weigh their long term needs with each player instead of possibly getting them for a year only.... seems to me they would be worth more under contract...
Just look at what happened with Reyes.... everyone thought he was over paid - then he was easily traded to a possible contender who thought his contract was worth it.

So, it only makes sense to me for them to give them contracts sooner rather than later - with the option to trade them if the right package comes along.

... and if they get injured, well that's what insurance is for.

**Marty Mcfly** · 11-26-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by clayamtion

Yes, being Stagnate would be unwise.

Or even stagnant...

**Marty Mcfly** · 11-26-2012, 11:41 AM

They're dragging things out because they don't want to spend any money, now or in the future. Get ready for a $70M team in the near future.

If they screw up with either DW or RA, and the only way they can do that is by not trading them before the season or extending them - ie that they take Jeffy''s breathtakingly stupid 2nd best option, then I am done as Mets fan until it is Coupon free.

**MLB2K10King** · 11-26-2012, 12:18 PM

Guthrie didn't have nearly the season that Dickey had. To try and offer him a contract with less money/years than Guthrie is the fastest way to put him on the trade Market. I see Wright getting traded as well. I have no faith in our ownership at this point. Hate to say it, but that's how I feel

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