Trammell is inside the top 8 SS's of all time, and since Santo got in, probably the single biggest oversight of any positional player still living and eligible.
I was just making a statement. You dont know who did in that era please show me evidence he didnt? Because besides what you think numbers are not evidence of steroid use. If it were true every bodybuilder on the plant would play baseball.Originally Posted by bagwell368:24497441
Clemens is on the ballot...and he's still pitching...
I honestly think Bonds should get in idc that he used steroids. He was unreal.
He should go in, but I'll hold my nose when it happens.
Guys like Raffy, Sosa, Mac clearly were NOT HOF players before the juice. They are out.
This forum doesn't like the steroids argument because admitting that steroids matter renders statistics as something less than absolute, which SHOULD NEVER BE.
It's because we can't, and shouldn't be judge, jury, and executioner of something that wasn't banned from the game and was a product of the game when it happened.
These guys were not banned, or put into trouble. Clean players were not calling them out. Everybody looked the other way.
Now, a decade later, it's wrong, and we should punish them for suspected steroid use (on some known) and kick them out of our baseball museum.
It has nothing to do with stats when you are talking about PEDs. It has everything to do with how the game handled it and how we are choosing to punish players for being a product of their times.
We don't know how much it impacts their game
We don't know how when they were taking what
We don't know who took what, when, and how much
So why on earth are we going to cast this judgment?
That, and we already have users in the hall of fame.
This museum should reflect what happened in baseball history. PED's happened. I'm not saying celebrate it. But we shouldn't punish individuals for something that happened all around them, and we don't know those three above answers.