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  • Barry Bonds

    173 59.04%
  • Roger Clemens

    149 50.85%
  • Curt Schilling

    140 47.78%
  • Craig Biggio

    181 61.77%
  • Kenny Lofton

    40 13.65%
  • Sammy Sosa

    74 25.26%
  • Mike Piazza

    222 75.77%
  • Jack Morris

    54 18.43%
  • Jeff Bagwell

    162 55.29%
  • Lee Smith

    46 15.70%
  • Tim Raines

    80 27.30%
  • Alan Trammell

    58 19.80%
  • Edgar Martinez

    112 38.23%
  • Fred McGriff

    49 16.72%
  • Larry Walker

    83 28.33%
  • Mark McGwire

    80 27.30%
  • Don Mattingly

    75 25.60%
  • Dale Murphy

    35 11.95%
  • Rafael Palmerio

    38 12.97%
  • Bernie Williams

    53 18.09%
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    If we want to use the "integrity" clause, which so many people are just so happy to throw out there against all of the steroid and PED suspected players, than we might as well go back and kick out Ty Cobb, Gaylord Perry and Don Drysdale.

    Funny, I never see anyone of the people whining about steroids whining about those guys...do I?

    It's funny how baseball fans ignore things like doctoring the ball with spit and vasoline (Perry wrote a book titled Me and the Spitter for god's sake) but they draw the line in the sand with steriods. Both are entirely performance enahancing. One is a pill, the other is rubbing crap on the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    If we want to use the "integrity" clause, which so many people are just so happy to throw out there against all of the steroid and PED suspected players, than we might as well go back and kick out Ty Cobb, Gaylord Perry and Don Drysdale.

    Funny, I never see anyone of the people whining about steroids whining about those guys...do I?

    It's funny how baseball fans ignore things like doctoring the ball with spit and vasoline (Perry wrote a book titled Me and the Spitter for god's sake) but they draw the line in the sand with steriods. Both are entirely performance enahancing. One is a pill, the other is rubbing crap on the ball.
    In my case and Perry, the cheating can be caught on the field. Until it is noticeable on the field and the players are willing to get a blood test every day during the game, I cannot say it's the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrionLannister View Post
    Please. There were MANY other factors that contributed to the offensive boom of the 90s as well.

    http://deadspin.com/5937432/was-mlbs...uiced+ball-era

    There is a long list of current HOFers in all sports who took things that may today be considered "cheating" to gain a competitive edge.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...2543/index.htm

    Also, this disgusts me:

    https://twitter.com/olyphil/statuses/273876969282736128
    https://twitter.com/olyphil/statuses/273880067254403072
    I considered a lot of things affecting it, the truth is nothing has changed so dramatically as when they started testing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crucis View Post
    Parity is about equality of opportunity, not equality of results.

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    One of the Biggest Hall of Fame Classes to date: Discussion and vote thread

    If Barry and the Rey of the cheaters are allowed in then Pete Rose should ABSOLUTELY be in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
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    The HOF loses all credibility if Barry Bonds is not voted in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcs15 View Post
    The HOF loses all credibility if Barry Bonds is not voted in.
    He belongs in without question but i get the impression the voters will punish him for his connection to steroid use by not putting him in 1st ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    If Barry and the Rey of the cheaters are allowed in then Pete Rose should ABSOLUTELY be in.
    If you know the history of baseball, you know that Rose is 10x more nuclear than Bonds any day.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    Bonds will get in, but not on the 1st ballot. Many will vote for him eventually, but punish him by not allowing him to be a 1st ballot HOFer. Roger will prob fall into that category too. I think a lot of the older players that have been waiting like Raines, and L Smith will get in this year cause everyone will boycott the recent era players. Eventually there will be no one left on the ballet except recent era players, and they will either have to start having years with no inductees, or start putting some of these guys in.
    Last edited by Orange&Black55; 12-03-2012 at 01:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    If you know the history of baseball, you know that Rose is 10x more nuclear than Bonds any day.
    This is very simple. The argument in favor of the juicers, specifically Bonds is that this is a stats based vote - what they accomplished on the field. Based on that argument, Rose gets in too.

    The juicers cheated by taking PEDS to increase their performance. It is undeniable that their stats would not be as good without them. Getting a little technical, they cheated on the field as well. The PEDS were in their system every time the walked onto the field, every inning. So they cheated on and off the field, during the off season and during the regular season.


    Rose allegedly bet on games. Did he always bet for his team? We don't know. I would say that based on his record he didn't.

    Either way, he violated a policy just like they did. So back to the original argument, based on stats - if they are in, so is he.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Dodgers rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    This is very simple. The argument in favor of the juicers, specifically Bonds is that this is a stats based vote - what they accomplished on the field. Based on that argument, Rose gets in too.
    Gambling has a far more sinister history in baseball than improving individual performance of athletes I am afraid.

    The juicers cheated by taking PEDS to increase their performance. It is undeniable that their stats would not be as good without them. Getting a little technical, they cheated on the field as well. The PEDS were in their system every time the walked onto the field, every inning. So they cheated on and off the field, during the off season and during the regular season.
    Primer 101. Gee thanks.

    Rose allegedly bet on games. Did he always bet for his team? We don't know. I would say that based on his record he didn't.
    As a Manager he was able to employ his pen and his bench in an effort to win or lose games as directed by his gambling, not for the good of the team. That's vastly worse then some player juicing for 8 years in a row on his own.

    Either way, he violated a policy just like they did. So back to the original argument, based on stats - if they are in, so is he.
    Sorry, you have failed to grasp how Rose is different from a juicer - completely - try again.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcs15 View Post
    The HOF loses all credibility if Barry Bonds is not voted in.
    barry bonds lost credibility for cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    yeah that's the weird thing about him, he was a hall of famer, but chose to cheat later, no one made him cheat, it was his decision, and he should suffer the consequences.

    There are guys already in the HOF who by all accounts were even bigger aholes or scum bags in their lives than Bonds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    barry bonds lost credibility for cheating.
    virtually everyone putting up monster #'s in those late 90's early 00's years were super juiced and jacked on a # of things. He was already a HOF'er before that, the #'s are the #'s, facts are the facts.

    Also why I think once Rose dies and his punishment is served, it would be foolish to not put his name amongst the best players to ever play the game, because both these guys were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    This is very simple. The argument in favor of the juicers, specifically Bonds is that this is a stats based vote - what they accomplished on the field. Based on that argument, Rose gets in too.
    Gambling has a far more sinister history in baseball than improving individual performance of athletes I am afraid.

    The juicers cheated by taking PEDS to increase their performance. It is undeniable that their stats would not be as good without them. Getting a little technical, they cheated on the field as well. The PEDS were in their system every time the walked onto the field, every inning. So they cheated on and off the field, during the off season and during the regular season.
    Primer 101. Gee thanks.

    Rose allegedly bet on games. Did he always bet for his team? We don't know. I would say that based on his record he didn't.
    As a Manager he was able to employ his pen and his bench in an effort to win or lose games as directed by his gambling, not for the good of the team. That's vastly worse then some player juicing for 8 years in a row on his own.

    Either way, he violated a policy just like they did. So back to the original argument, based on stats - if they are in, so is he.
    Sorry, you have failed to grasp how Rose is different from a juicer - completely - try again.


    I understand there is a difference between them an yes, I get the potential Rose had to change the games played..

    My point is they all cheated in some way. Which is wrong. IMO the steroids are worse because we know they had an effect on the outcome of several games... We don't know if Rosé ever threw games purposely..the potential was there but we don't know. For all we know he always bet on his team..

    IMO if you let them in Rose deserves it too. Hope you can finally understand that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Dodgers rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    I understand there is a difference between them an yes, I get the potential Rose had to change the games played..

    My point is they all cheated in some way. Which is wrong. IMO the steroids are worse because we know they had an effect on the outcome of several games... We don't know if Rosé ever threw games purposely..the potential was there but we don't know. For all we know he always bet on his team..

    IMO if you let them in Rose deserves it too. Hope you can finally understand that.
    How about tossing Mantle out and most of the 1950's 1960's and 1970's guys out for taking greenies?


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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