By any reasonable examination, he's a top 6 1B all time, and easily the best all around player of the bunch.
How about a greenie wing for every decade since the 40's?
How about the hot dogs and beer wing for Ruth and co?
How about the racist/murderer wing for Cobb?
Where does it stop? Ozzie and Harriet?
My 10 are:
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Tim Raines, Curt Schilling, Craig Biggio, Kenny Lofton, Mike Piazza, Edgar Martinez, Larry Walker
I feel Alan Trammel deserves it as well, but I left him off in favor of Tim Raines. Trammel, Walker, Lofton, Biggio, and Raines are the most borderline choices for me, and someone had to be left off, I haven't put enough thought into why I chose Trammel, or if I actually had a vote, if that is what I would actually do.
It is pretty safe to say that steroids had a more severe influence in skewing those numbers than any amount of greenies ever had.
Any way you look at it the BBWAA really has a mess on their hands. Especially after those writers lauded Sosa and McGwire for their ludicrous HR race that made a mockery of this sport.
Biggio is the only player I voted for. The other players are either simply non-deserving, were steroid users, or were possibly steroid users. And I wouldn't vote for any possible steroid users until that list of 100+ positive tests from 2003 comes out of the closet. Sosa and A-Rod were leaked out, so the rest should be leaked out.
Bagwell's spike in OPS from pre-1994 to 1994 (especially) and possibly (1996-2003) looks unnatural and had a close connection to Ken Caminiti. Piazza was considered clean until he had some suspicious acne on his back and got fatter/bulkier late in his Mets career.
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Future Hall of Shamers:
(1) B.A.L.C.O. Barroids (2) Mark McJuicer (3) Jose Chem-seco (4) Rafael Palmeiroids (5) Ken Chem-initi (6) Jason Gi-andro (7) Ryan Fraud (8) Muscle Melk (9) Woman-Ram (10) Shammy Sosa (11) Roger Clear-mens (12) A-Roid
I find it interesting when people accuse people of potentially using PEDs because of a spike in performance as their reasoning (we have no idea how much, if any it actually affects a players numbers) during their prime playing years, and on noticing that a player got bigger as they aged. That is not enough proof to 'send an innocent man to jail' so to speak. People will 'crucify' others for such little evidence, it's unmanning.
That, and we have several known cheaters in the hall of fame, and one steroid user. Why are we making these judgments?
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