One of the Biggest Hall of Fame Classes to date: Discussion and vote thread

[Dugmet]

They probably all juiced. Big friggin deal.

Yeah. Most probably did. As for whether it is a big deal or not, that's a personal opinion. To each his own. I find it to be disappointing. Biggio irritates me because he is rarely if ever discussed as a possible juicer. I saw him while he was at Seton Hall. He was a puny lad. During his pro career he intentionally wore a uniform top too large for him in order to hide his muscularity -- from his lips to Bob Costa's lips to my ears. Bagwell probably juiced as did Berkman. I cannot look the other way, maybe Piazza too.

[Dugmet]

I don't have a problem with him.

It's when fans grossly over-rate him by saying things like 'best pitcher of the 80's' when he isn't even really close.

Didn't he win more games than any other pitcher in the 1980s or something like that?

[thefeckcampaign]

Bonds would have made it without steroids, but because he did use steroids, he should NOT be allowed in. Greedy ****in bastard

The whole reason he did it and how he handled it so, really shows the lack of character in him.

[Rio40]

Larry Walker should def get in. Yea playing in colorado helped his number a bit but that shouldn't be held against him. He was also a GG guy hit for a high average. Def deserving.

[bagwell368]

Larry Walker should def get in. Yea playing in colorado helped his number a bit but that shouldn't be held against him. He was also a GG guy hit for a high average. Def deserving.

The reason Walker should be in the HOF and Helton is at best borderline is that Walker actually hit well in a tough hitters par before he was in Coors - besides of course the fact Walker is better than Helton.

[Scully in 2012]

The two biggest disappointments are:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Big Mac.

Barry Bonds may have been considered one of the greatest players ever (certainly in the conversation) prior to the juice. He was easily a 1st time HOF. I will never understand why he would do anything remotely close to casting a cloud over what was a magnificent career.

Sure, the Bonds loyals will say "it was never proven" but we are all smart enough to know that your head doesn't get 2 inches bigger and your shoe size doesn't go up 2 sizes passed the age of 30 (no he didn't hit puberty again...and again).

As much as his career stats warrant a HOF vote, the PED issue makes me believe his name should not be placed next to the greats like: Mantle, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Koufax, Cobb, etc. He cheated and therefore is out...along with the rest of them.

[MooseWithFleas]

I have a feeling poor Tim Raines will get screwed by this class. He has been gaining some significant momentum.

[keymax]

I have a feeling poor Tim Raines will get screwed by this class. He has been gaining some significant momentum.

This class could also help him if the voters decide to keep the roiders out. And IMO that seems pretty likely.

[Iansnightout]

So nobody wants to tell me why a closer deserves being voted in but a DH doesn't?

[thefeckcampaign]

So nobody wants to tell me why a closer deserves being voted in but a DH doesn't?

I agree with you. I think they just have to be extremely dominating considering they are not playing the "whole game".

[Jeffy25]

Didn't he win more games than any other pitcher in the 1980s or something like that?

So?

[Iansnightout]

I agree with you. I think they just have to be extremely dominating considering they are not playing the "whole game".

Do you see a difference between DH and Closers in this situation?

[Greedy22]

I don't have a problem with him.

It's when fans grossly over-rate him by saying things like 'best pitcher of the 80's' when he isn't even really close.

Didn't he win more games than any other pitcher in the 1980s or something like that?

wins aren't in a pitchers control, look at Phil Hughes 2010 season...are you gonna say he was awesome that year because he had 18 wins?

[t327]

I voted Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, Biggio, Piazza, Raines, Trammel, Walker, Edgar, and Big Mac.

[bagwell368]

Close to mine, but I can't see voting for Mac. Look at his career progression. He was just about done, and then he's Paul Bunyan. Unlike Bonds and Clemens he doesn't appear to have reached HOF status before he started.