One of the Biggest Hall of Fame Classes to date: Discussion and vote thread

[Wrench]

The only thing I've heard with Piazza was a writer in NY wanted to write a piece on his bacne during his time with the mets and that he put on 20 lbs of muscle in the winter of 98 working out in Venice Beach. None of that holds serious weigh or proves anything though, as far as I'm concerned Mike was a clean player.

He admitted in 2002 to using androstenedione early in his career, but andro was not banned in baseball until 2004. So it was legal.

Murray Chass was the guy your talking about, saying that since he saw that Piazza had acne on his back, he had to be a ‘roider.

Neither to the level of Bonds or Clemons.

[Greedy22]

The only thing I've heard with Piazza was a writer in NY wanted to write a piece on his bacne during his time with the mets and that he put on 20 lbs of muscle in the winter of 98 working out in Venice Beach. None of that holds serious weigh or proves anything though, as far as I'm concerned Mike was a clean player.

He admitted in 2002 to using androstenedione early in his career, but andro was not banned in baseball until 2004. So it was legal.

Murray Chass was the guy your talking about, saying that since he saw that Piazza had acne on his back, he had to be a ‘roider.

Neither to the level of Bonds or Clemons.

Yeah, I remember him admitting that and it was still legal so I didn't bring it up. Yes, chase Murray is his name idk how I didn't remember that.

[Mike515089]

Man this is the best HOF class I have ever seen.

Both Biggio and Piazza should be locks. My third choice would be Edgar Martinez who I don't think will get in because he played DH for a such a long period of time.

Bonds, Sosa, Clemons, Palmero, McGwire and Schilling all have to many links to steroids. I am not saying they should never get in, all these guys statisticly deserve a spot, but I don't think any of them should make it in their first attempt.

As for Larry Walker he was one of my faviorate players growing up but the question mark of playing in the high altitude where the ball supposedly carries farther is gonna hurt him.

[lolPhillies]

I really hope Bonds and Clemens get in, they were already first ballot hofers before their alleged use. Leaving te only 400/400 and 500/500 player out of the hall along with a 7 time Cy young award winner would suck.

The definite for me:

Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Biggio
Bagwell

Raines would also probably get my vote. Schilling is borderline to me, Lofton and Bernie are less borderline to me (so, no), Sosa is borderline....Yeah, I'd just go with those 5 guys.

This is nuts, I count at least 11 guys who should be by my standards.

Also, if anyone wants to explain why they voted Piazza but not Clemens/Bonds I'm all ears.

[bagwell368]

And sorry I don't believe in the DH. No to Martinez.

Not to be flip, but it doesn't matter what you think. It's a rule. BTW, 28.8% of Edgars career was played with a glove on.

I forgot to click on his box which is why I didn't vote for him.

[LASportsFan1996]

The DH sucks

[Wrench]

There are many of pitchers who will tell you Edgar Martinez was the hardest out to get in the 90's. Thats pretty telling. His career OBP is 21st all time.

What does hurt him is the lack of power with just over 300 bombs.

[ciaban]

The only thing I've heard with Piazza was a writer in NY wanted to write a piece on his bacne during his time with the mets and that he put on 20 lbs of muscle in the winter of 98 working out in Venice Beach. None of that holds serious weigh or proves anything though, as far as I'm concerned Mike was a clean player.

that's my thing too

He admitted in 2002 to using androstenedione early in his career, but andro was not banned in baseball until 2004. So it was legal.

Murray Chass was the guy your talking about, saying that since he saw that Piazza had acne on his back, he had to be a ‘roider.

Neither to the level of Bonds or Clemons.

at the risk of creeping every one out, i have acne on my back and i don't use stetoid
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Not to be flip, but it doesn't matter what you think. It's a rule. BTW, 28.8% of Edgars career was played with a glove on.

I forgot to click on his box which is why I didn't vote for him.

a whole 28.8%, that's practically half his career....papi played a bunch of games at 2st early in his career but everyone thinks of him as a dh

[Iansnightout]

The DH sucks

He was still an elite player and he was a DH.

That's gotta mean something.

[thawv]

The definite for me:

Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Biggio
Bagwell

Raines would also probably get my vote. Schilling is borderline to me, Lofton and Bernie are less borderline to me (so, no), Sosa is borderline....Yeah, I'd just go with those 5 guys.

Awesome numbers for these guys!! But all five guys juiced! I just went with Trammell cuz I don't believe juicers should be in.

[MetsFanatic19]

I only voted Piazza because he's the only one I really care about.

[MetsFanatic19]

Awesome numbers for these guys!! But all five guys juiced! I just went with Trammell cuz I don't believe juicers should be in.

No proof that Piazza juiced. Just because he was a power hitter in the steroids era, doesn't mean he used them.

[thawv]

No proof that Piazza juiced. Just because he was a power hitter in the steroids era, doesn't mean he used them.

This in not the court of law. Proof in not needed. But common sense goes a long way when it come to steroid users. This is a very strong case of common sense! On top of it being obvious, he did admit to using androstenedione before it was banned, and that, is a steroid. And if people think he stopped juicing after that, well that's just silly.

[MetsFanatic19]

So what if he was smart and did stop using it? He admitted to using it and admitted to stop using it. Until a test comes out and says the Mike Piazza is positive for steroids, then I will believe that he played by the rules, and if that means he used a steroid when it was legal and stopped when it was illegal, then so be it.

[thawv]

So what if he was smart and did stop using it? He admitted to using it and admitted to stop using it. Until a test comes out and says the Mike Piazza is positive for steroids, then I will believe that he played by the rules, and if that means he used a steroid when it was legal and stopped when it was illegal, then so be it.

Keep in mind, steroids have always been illegal. Fay Vincent sent a letter to each team in 1991 stating that players will be disciplined for using. It just took several years for the league to decide to enforce it.

At the end of the day, we know that he took them.