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5.59 FIP, 4.92 xFIP on the road.
Not much of an exaggeration. If he wasnt a Mariner, you would want nothing to do with him. Maybe I am just not a massive homer and realize that our player's value is not as high as we want to believe.
and if you dont want to talk to me, then dont. No one is stopping you.
2008 and 2009 should come with an astrick becuase he was a right hander hitting in Fenway.
His highest OBP was .406 way back in 05'; and other than is Red Sox years, he hasn't had an OBP above .380 since.
Even when he was 'good' (and young) he was never one of the best hitters in baseball.
I honestly don't know what Z sees here...
Edit: And let's not forget he is literally a black hole in the outfield. With defense as bad as his, he must be producing at the plate to justify sticking him out there.
Last edited by baseball_is_lif; 12-05-2012 at 10:41 PM.
I feel like a lot of you dont pay attention to splits, and I think you should. His road numbers tell you how he pitches in 29 parks (on average). Home tells you one park, and in this case a very pitcher friendly park.
If he is on a decent team in an neutral or hitter friendly park, he is a 4th starter. He is a number 5 for the Nationals, if that.
Last edited by jej; 12-05-2012 at 10:42 PM.
I am not talking about his value to us. If we are trading him, shouldnt we think about his value to other teams?
When you actually look at the stats, a #4 starter isnt much of an exaggeration. Especially the Nats, on which he is battling for the 5th spot.
That's exactly my point, he's more valuable to us then we could fetch on the market for him.
Well that's not what you said at first. You acted like me saying he was a 4th starter was some crazy statement, and it's clearly not.
They said they wouldn't trade him and Capps for Morse, an would rather trade Wilhelmsen for him.
I said he is a #4 starter, which to most teams he is. When talking about his trade value, it doesn't matter what his value to us is. It's about how much the team likes him.
AAAANYWAYS, I feel better about us signing Swisher than I did this morning