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    Hellikson is overrated, Sheilds is older, not under long control, and will be expensive.

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    jej the problem is that the Rays have those two (solid SP at least) plus hultzen caliber prospect(s) - not sure if they have walker caliber since i don't consider moore a prospect anymore.

    They could easily beat us. Hope they do, I kind of don't like Upton.

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    We were talking about Myers.

    Im not sure that they do have Hultzen level specs, or if they would include them for him. Keep in mind teams value proven players over specs, so to the Rays, Hellickson and a top spec may have more value than just Myers.

    I mean, if we had Hellickson, would you trade him and Hultzen for Myers? I probably wouldnt.

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    Not really interested due to the risk, but what would you guys give up for Jacoby. Something that actually could work. So maybe not what you would actually give up, but a fair deal.

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    Rumors out there of a Lester-Myers deal being discussed.
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    If that's true we better be on the phone with then right now offering Paxton and Vargas.

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...eplace-ichiros

    Good read, kinda agree. I kinda think the brass owe it to the fans to do something drastic and soon. This would be that! Plus how cool would it be to see him thrive here and prove all the naysayers wrong, I don't care about stats, Hamilton is a beast... He'd put butts in seats!

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    by drastic I mean do something that'll have us all talking and getting excited for 2013, like Montero but better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jej View Post
    If that's true we better be on the phone with then right now offering Paxton and Vargas.
    lester is more proven and it looks like thats what they want

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    Yeah but he wasn't great last year, isn't under control, more expensive etc.

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    Vargas isn't the top end starter they're looking for and Paxton isn't proven. He even struggled last year.
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    Vargas has to be the best pitcher who has no trade value. I don't think we could give him away lol. He's a mariner, has benefited from a dream park and now he costs more than a lot of veteran FAs will go for.

    Let's face it the names of guys we want to trade have minimal value on the market, Vargas, Paxton is a high risk high reward spec, hultzen is a moderate ceiling, erasmo and Maurer r guys all teams have, beavan, smoak.. Please, Capps/ Pryor/ furbush meh...

    I think to get a MOTO bat we have to deal walker, prolly throw n the likes of Saunders, Seager, Wilhelmsen,...not saying I advocate this kinda deal necessarily but it's wut the market prolly dictate, I just feel if Vargas, Paxton could get it done it would've happened by now, who knows maybe a team desperate for pitching will cave but I see a good amount of veteran free agents out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jej View Post
    If that's true we better be on the phone with then right now offering Paxton and Vargas.
    I'm sure they got hung up on. A 4th starter and pen guy ( which is wut Paxton is right now). Doesn't compete with Lester.

    I know he blew up last ur but look at his track record n that ballpark and division, no injuries, prime years. There is plenty of reason to covet him.
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    Meh. We need hitting.


    The future is present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jej View Post
    Yeah but he wasn't great last year, isn't under control, more expensive etc.
    Dayton Moore and his staff have shown that he's not the greatest evaluator of pitching talent. I'd rather have Shields than Lester for sure.
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