What if we turned it around? What if we said that society had become one where government had fully become a function of a certain church. Let's say you owned and operated a little record store in downtown Poughkeepsie, and let's say you are also a HUGE fan of black metal, AND a very staunch athiest. The government then tells you that you MUST pay taxes to it, and it will use your taxes to promote the silencing of everyone who is atheist, and furthermore, tells you that you MUST sell music which promotes and/or is made by the state religion. More and more, people want state religion music, and not your black metal. More and more, people come into your store, demanding that music, and telling you that you must cater to them, or go out of business.
It's easy to be angry at religion and churches when it's something we disagree with. But we have to be careful in America, what we ask for.
Because in America, the sword is sharp on both sides. If you demand that government and government alone informs all laws and enforces all behavior in society, that can get very ugly, very fast. Try reading "The Gulag Archipelago" sometime, for an idea of how badly that can go.
The same applies to unsafe foods, health care, and other activities that may violate their faith. A business may not (without legal ramifications) turn away black or female patrons. Even though their faith may inform them that those groups of people are not to be treated with the same level of respect. I bring up these two examples, because we have documented cases of religions saying these groups are not on the same level of standing as their counterparts (almost every religion for women, and specifically Mormonism for black people).
If the government takes money and uses it to silence anyone, that is a problem. But this isn't a matter of silencing people. Its a matter of saying that if you plan to operate in the public market, then you will comply with the rules and regulations that everyone deals with and that your excuse for not complying will not be accepted. What you are listing is almost the textbook example of government establishment of religion and hence it represents a terrible counter-example to what I have proposed and support. I truly hope no one here equates requiring that every insurance purchaser be able to gain access to birth control or even abortion access to the establishment of a state religion.
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I watched the documentary Freakonomics this weekend. In it the author/economist talks about the main reason crime drastically reduced in the 90's from the insanely high level of the 80's is because of abortion being legalized in '73. Less unwanted kids = less crime. He also mentioned that most mothers that had aborted children eventually went on to have kids.
I personally do not agree with abortions, unless it needs to be done to save the mother's life
Abortions are so incredibly sad. I wrote a paper on them once and after doing all that research let me tell you there were so man moments where I just felt sick to my stomach hearing what happens the unborn child. I dont even want to talk about it. Do the research yourself if you want, but I honestly dont know how ANYONE who is educated on the topic can still choose to have an abortion.
Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?
I personally would never abort a child but I support the right for a woman to choose.
Do I believe in the existence of abortion?
Because that's all the poll and thread are asking lol.
It's conception. Which is what this debate comes down to for everyone. When do you consider life to begin?
I am all for women's rights, but as a pro-lifer, I wonder if anyone ever thinks of the 'childs rights' Doesn't the child have the right to life?
My issue is usually with inconvenient abortions. I don't want the child because it's not the 'right time' or whatever the reasoning is. Those are what bothers me. But, it's still the womans choice, and I respect their right to make their own choices.