He was the best player on the team in that game.... And it wasnt close.
Its like u just didnt watch the game and are scrapping at the heels looking for some stat to hold against him. Im sure that i could find a similar stat line for iggy last year in which u praised him.... Unfortunately im lazy and dont really know how people search for old posts.
The reason we lost was that pargo just went off and they hit clutch shots down the stretch u cant gameplan for someone like pargo going crazy like that.
And holiday had probably his worst game of the season, aint mad at him, he had a tough back to back.
But turner was the one bright spot last night, so just move on.
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I know the game two nights ago was close, but maybe Doug should've sat turner more knowing that jrue would be exhausted. I think I probably would've played wright more during the game on Tuesday and let turner rest so he could run the point last night.
I guess the most important game is the one you're playing, but with so little depth at point guard Doug should've considered resting jrue or Evan some on Tuesday. Jrue looked dead. I'm not blaming him for being tired, but we can't play jrue and Evan 40 minutes one night and expect them to be spry the next.
I watched. But good.
And Evan played (for most of it), as he has all year: uninspired; crappy-shooting, very little contribution.
There was one stretch...for several minutes...where he got better.
JRich had two of those spurts...and HE sucked for the most part, too. Thad couldn't put it in the ocean for most of the game, yet he played more consistent than Evan.
I think once you move ET's sack away from your eyes...you'll see that 3-minutes of decent ball don't make for a "good game".
That stiff is giving us EXACTLY what I predicted he would...when you all screamed bloody murder.
This is what ya got. Satisfied? Hahahaha. Enjoy!
Youre just being silly at this point.
Is he what we expected? No. But we will make lemonaid out of lemons since he is probably the 2nd best player on the team right now.... Not that thats saying much.
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ET started 0-5 before hitting his next two. It was awful. But, I don't know if you noticed, everyone else started awful too. JRich 1-4, Nick 1-6, Dorell 1-7 all night, Jrue 0-5, Thad 1-4. To pretend like ET's 0-5 is so much worse than the other starts that it brings his offensive production for the whole night down to their level is just crazy. Someone's grasping, and it isn't me.
And it absolutely counts. Of course it does. The same way JRich's 1-4 start and 2-9 outside that early 2nd quarter burst counts. JRich, ET, Thad, Jrue all shot more or less the same in the end. If you're going to quibble over one made or missed shot either way, and think that makes up the difference for the entirety of everything else ET did (including 10 rebounds and 7 assists, given how much you seem to love relying on the stat sheet these days), then maybe basketball analysis isn't for you. It really brings me down when you're like this, man, because we both know you're better than it.
The Cavs lineup during that run was 4-0 vs Pargo/Miles/Casspi/Thompson/Zeller then 1-0 in a brief stint vs Pargo/Gee/Casspi/Thompson/Zeller then 2-1 vs Pargo/Gee/Casspi/Thompson/Varejao then 9-2 vs Pargo/Waiters/Gee/Thompson/Varejao. Turns out it was a 16-3 run. With 11-3 of that coming against, essentially, the starters.
So it was WITH starters and AGAINST starters.
If you don't want to watch the game that's fine, but don't just make stuff up to cover for it. It doesn't work when I did watch the game.
Jason Richardson went out when it was 19-38 (ie the start of the run), and came back at 33-41 to watch Thad hit the last two (on ET's assist) then did nothing as the Cavs went 5-0 to end the quarter.
I don't think I'm confusing anyone with anyone.
Again, if you don't want to watch the game that's fine, but don't just make stuff up to cover for it. It doesn't work when I did watch the game.
I never said he was tremendous. I said he was by far our best player on a night where we were awful - a game that was 'gross', 'makes me feel sick', and where we lost it for ourselves because we overdepended on the long two - something I've been hugely critical of ET for and even named him in the post for doing tonight. You really think that was me saying he was tremendous?
I think maybe that's your problem - you don't understand nuance. Nobody can see a bright spot in a bad game or a bad spot in a good one, to you. A player was either AMAZING or AWFUL with no in-between. Either an All Star or out of the league and making you sandwiches. Posters must either be completely for someone and every aspect of his game, or completely against him. It's stupid. None of us think like that except you.
TL;DR: maybe actually watch the game. Just about everything you said in that post (ie that ET was 0-7, that I thought his start didn't count, that that run wasn't against starters, that JRich led that run rather than ET, that I said he was tremendous) was just factually and obviously incorrect. All a post like that does is convince people you didn't even watch.
Last edited by bholly; 11-22-2012 at 06:05 PM.
When was JRich's other good run? I remember the flurry to start the 3rd but don't remember him ever doing much else. What did I miss?
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While having a piss poor start, Evan actually recovered and put up a pretty solid game and there's no doubt in my mind if it were iguodala putting up 12, 10, and 7, Ricky would be saying he had a good game.
Let's wait and see!
Last edited by SeoulBeatz; 11-22-2012 at 08:01 PM.
He wont respond... And if he does it will be butcherd, cut and pasted nonsense taken out of context
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I'm reading what people write here and this is what I find funny: It is admitted that Evan sucked eggs for three quarters. He went on a 'run' for 5 minutes in the fourth. And then...just like any good exaggeration, somehow his game is elevated to "he was the best BY FAR!" Because of a 6-point quarter.
Yet JRich (who had basically the same exact game) is given comparatively no credit.
NONE OF THEM GET CREDIT YOU NUT-JOBS.
We lost to a sucko team, and everyone - Evan included - was laughable.
If you recall...in the 4th quarter - the one Evan "took over" (hahaha)...he committed a charge, THEN a turnover...then - finally - put up SIX sensational(!) points on the board.
THAT was his run.
Suddenly it's "Hooray! Evan was great the WHOLE game!!"
Let's review JRich's best quarter (the one in which he had TWO runs.) He scored ELEVEN points to Evan's ZERO. 11-0.
In Evan's best quarter it was 6-3.
Yet ET was "best by far!" and JRich sucked.
Me thinks you guys are doing what you claim I am doing.
You are so desperate for Evan to become a legitimate NBA star, that you are projecting great feats upon him...when he plays no better than anyone else on the team.
Now...back to your nonsense.
Anyone else concerned that this is the 2nd game in a row that Collins went ultra small with Thad at C? If we were playing the Raptors, and they went small with Bargs and his 4-5 rebounds as the opposition's only big then I'd be fine with it.
How many times in crunch time does he have to lose with that lineup? And Collins still has this crazy idea that Thad is his best screen defender. He has a soft spot in his brain shaped like a heart with Thad's name on it.