Amar'e to start? Woody still won't say

[kartyea]

Do you provide any insight in any of your posts, or back your opinions with anything other than facepalms?

At least I backup what I say with reasoning, that seems beyond your comprehension.

Create a story? This is a Knicks forum, its a topic of discussion, I am discussing it.

How can you go say my opinion means nothing unless I talked to Woody than go and say 'STAT is going to start'. Did you talk to Woody?

You don't think the fact that he said 100000% STAT is the starter, to 'I don't know yet, but guys don't lose their starting jobs to injuries', to completely dancing around the question and not even addressing it?

Last year, when STAT was out, he said 10000x over he will come back and start. He said that every single time he was asked that question, which was a lot, because we were rolling and STAT was coming back before playoffs and it was a major topic, like it is now.

He is not answering the question with anywhere near the same certainty as he did then.

What you call insight I call nonsense and over analying how can any logic disprove that? I'll just go with what Woody originally said and what he lastly said in the paper which was Amare is a great player in this league and he thinks him and Melo will work fine together. And when the reporter pointed out that he and melo have a losing record together he simply said "Is it a losing record with me as coach". And that says it all for me. Amare will start and I will be sure to remind you how wrong you were when he returns.

[D-Leethal]

What you call insight I call nonsense and over analying how can any logic disprove that? I'll just go with what Woody originally said and what he lastly said in the paper which was Amare is a great player in this league and he thinks him and Melo will work fine together. And when the reporter pointed out that he and melo have a losing record together he simply said "I wasn't coaching then". And that says it all for me. Amare will start and I will be sure to remind you how wrong you were when he returns.

You can't disprove anything, because nothing has happened yet. Its all opinion. I provide reasoning for my opinion. You provide facepalms and quotes from before the season started (and disregard quotes that have occured since the season has actually started).

But hey, if your right your right.

I personally would not throw Amare into a lineup playing flawless basketball until he works his way in and shows he can contribute to the party, I provided my reasoning to why, seems like a fair share of posters here concur.

I don't think Amare's accomplishments from multiple years back should give him free reign to just join the starting lineup after not playing all season.

He should come back and earn it, just like ZBo did with Memphis, who was not playing nearly as well as we are now. Amare is not a guy whos just going to fit in, hes going to change the way we play on both ends and become a featured player, there will be an inevitable adjustment period.

I think easing him in is the best way to avoid a meltdown during that adjustment period. I think throwing him into the starting lineup from day 1 will make that adjustment period more difficult to get through.

BTW, Amare's first game back after injury last season: Loss to Bobcats, Loss to Cavs, beat Raptors by 3.

[knickerbockerny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhTe5NJ5DiE=1#t=01m53s

Bargs is 2 feet in front of the Basket, AMRI is waiting for what???

The Knicks will go absolutely no where with STAT playing this type of defense, it goes to what people have been saying, he has absolutely no defensive awareness.

What does STAT starting do for this team exactly besides making us worse defensively? Improve what is already the best offense in the NBA? What does he bring to the table that we don't already have in the starting unit?

This is a great point. I with whats best for the team, and I'm sure Woody knows whats best, unlike our last coach

[kartyea]

NEW ORLEANS — It’s the $100 million question Mike Woodson will eventually have to answer: what happens when Amar’e Stoudemire returns?

“Again, I’ll address that when we get to that point,” Woodson said on Tuesday.

Woodson is well aware that he is sitting on a potential powder keg, especially with the Knicks winning as Stoudemire, who had knee surgery in October, recuperates. If the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony, who is playing like an MVP at power forward, continue at their current pace it will be difficult for Woodson to alter the starting lineup.

Prior to Tuesday’s game against the Hornets, Woodson wasn’t about to reveal his future plans and instead said just enough to keep everyone guessing. At one point, Woodson implied that Stoudemire's job was safe when he said there would be times in a game when Anthony, a natural small forward, would play power forward. Woodson then turned defiant when he was reminded that the Knicks have an overall losing record since Anthony and Stoudemire became teammates two seasons ago.

"Is it an overall losing record with me as the coach?” Woodson asked reporters. “I can’t think about what happened before I took over. As a coach I feel good about both of them playing on the floor at the same time and that’s not going to change.”

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Mike WoodsonIntentionally or unintentionally, Woodson took a subtle dig at his predecessor, Mike D’Antoni, who failed to make the Anthony/Stoudemire combination a winning one as Woodson did once he was promoted to head coach.

And if you want to get technical, Woodson never said anything about starting Anthony with Stoudemire only that he feels “good about both of them playing on the floor at the same time.” Ideally, Anthony and Stoudemire complement one other when Anthony plays power forward and Stoudemire center. But as long as Tyson Chandler stays healthy Chandler will remain the starting center.

Woodson can go with the smaller, quicker lineup featuring Stoudemire at center which would make the Knicks much tougher to match up against offensively. But the pairing of Stoudemire at center and Anthony at power forward also makes the Knicks vulnerable in two vital areas; defense and rebounding. In other words, don’t expect to see that too much.

Woodson has gotten his players, particularly Anthony and J.R. Smith, to buy into his philosophy. There has been no indication that Stoudemire won’t be amenable to any decision Woodson makes regarding the All Star’s role. Stoudemire was a good solider when Anthony was acquired by the Knicks and instantly became the face of the franchise just weeks after fans at Madison Square Garden where chanting “M-V-P” at Stoudemire.


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Amar'e StoudemireAdditionally, Stoudemire knows that he slightly damaged his relationship with the fans the night in Miami when he smashed a glass fire extinguisher case and suffered a deep cut that prevented him from playing in Game 3 of their first round playoff series.

Stoudemire has told friends that he feels the media sensationalized the story which only fueled the fan’s frustration toward him. Regardless, it was the first time since signing a $100 million contract that Stoudemire was the object of criticism and he didn’t enjoy it. In the event that Woodson were to keep the lineup intact and use Stoudemire as a back-up, Stoudemire could potentially hurt his image among Knicks supporters if he were to raise a fuss.

Still, it is a tricky situation for Woodson, who understands that Stoudemire has a certain standing in the league and is one of the elite players at his position. The plan all along was to start Stoudemire and Anthony but that changed when Stoudemire developed a cyst on his left knee during the preseason. In fact, Iman Shumpert and not Jason Kidd would be the starting shooting guard if Shumpert hadn’t suffered a major knee injury last May.

Woodson adjusted accordingly and is winning in a way the Knicks haven’t won in nearly 20 years. He may have to adjust again and perhaps Woodson already knows his next move. But don’t bother asking because he’s about to share it publicly.

“I’ve been thrust into this arena because of the injuries that we’ve had and it started last season,” Woodson said. “I feel like as a coach with the surrounding players we have we can make an adjustment if we need to. If we need to go big I feel good about that. Eventually we’ll get back to playing Melo at some four if he starts at the (small forward). If Melo is out there he causes problems for any team if it is at the three or the four. “



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[PC]

If Isola's basing his assumption on the bolded quote, that means nothing.

If Amar'e gets 25 minutes per and Melo gets 35, there's going to be some overlap

[kartyea]

You can't disprove anything, because nothing has happened yet. Its all opinion. I provide reasoning for my opinion. You provide facepalms and quotes from before the season started (and disregard quotes that have occured since the season has actually started).

But hey, if your right your right.

I personally would not throw Amare into a lineup playing flawless basketball until he works his way in and shows he can contribute to the party, I provided my reasoning to why, seems like a fair share of posters here concur.

I don't think Amare's accomplishments from multiple years back should give him free reign to just join the starting lineup after not playing all season.

He should come back and earn it, just like ZBo did with Memphis, who was not playing nearly as well as we are now. Amare is not a guy whos just going to fit in, hes going to change the way we play on both ends and become a featured player, there will be an inevitable adjustment period.

I think easing him in is the best way to avoid a meltdown during that adjustment period. I think throwing him into the starting lineup from day 1 will make that adjustment period more difficult to get through.

Neither of us can prove anything, but I'll just go with what the coach said, you on the other hand would rather imply he's saying something different when he's not, he's just not answering it anymore which is normal when guys ask you the same thing over and over.

[D-Leethal]

Neither of us can prove anything, but I'll just go with what the coach said, you on the other hand would rather make imply he's saying something different when he's not, he's just not answering it anymore which is normal when guys ask you the same thing over and over.

The coach said absolutely nothing about starting. He danced around the starting question, and said he thinks they can play together on the floor, which like PC noted, is going to happen regardless. You can't play STAT 25+ min, Melo 30+ min and not have them see the floor together.

Dancing around a question isn't a good look. If he was dead set on STAT starting, he would say that.

Considering he is now dancing around the question he used to answer firmly, I'd like to say hes starting to think twice about the situation at hand.

[Jesse2272]

I dont see how any NBA coach would not bring Stat of the bench to work him in and complete the puzzle, completely agree with DLeeths points dont **** this flow up everything is working its just common sense

[kartyea]

The coach said absolutely nothing about starting. He danced around the starting question, and said he thinks they can play together on the floor, which like PC noted, is going to happen regardless.

Dancing around a question isn't a good look. If he was dead set on STAT starting, he would say that.

Considering he is now dancing around the question he used to answer firmly, I'd like to say hes starting to think twice about the situation at hand.

Just like I said you are implying what he means and thats what reporters do. But as I said I will be sure to make you eat crow on this one, and I just love doing that to you guys who think they know everything. Remember J Lin is so great if he's a bust the knicks can trade the bad contract, well how many teams do you see lining up to trade for any bad contract more or less his.

And even better how many teams did you see lining up to sign him at all? Like I said Woody said nothing either way, first and foremost he has to comeback. Then he has to see how he feels and responds when he plays, and then he can go from there. But if healthy mark my wors Amare will start!

[AddiX]

Don't know how many times I need to say it, amare doesn't offer the starting lineup anything.

There's 0 place for him in this lineup. We don't even know what he can do anymore, his burst was Gone last year. Even the bench is carried by jr now. If amare can't show he can hld it down w sheed, he's in serious trouble. Sheed can spread the d, and communicates well...

But if amare isn't rotating on d or isn't getting the defense to respect him, he offers us nothing.

[Missing56&33]

You can't disprove anything, because nothing has happened yet. Its all opinion. I provide reasoning for my opinion. You provide facepalms and quotes from before the season started (and disregard quotes that have occured since the season has actually started).

But hey, if your right your right.

I personally would not throw Amare into a lineup playing flawless basketball until he works his way in and shows he can contribute to the party, I provided my reasoning to why, seems like a fair share of posters here concur.

I don't think Amare's accomplishments from multiple years back should give him free reign to just join the starting lineup after not playing all season.

He should come back and earn it, just like ZBo did with Memphis, who was not playing nearly as well as we are now. Amare is not a guy whos just going to fit in, hes going to change the way we play on both ends and become a featured player, there will be an inevitable adjustment period.

I think easing him in is the best way to avoid a meltdown during that adjustment period. I think throwing him into the starting lineup from day 1 will make that adjustment period more difficult to get through.

BTW, Amare's first game back after injury last season: Loss to Bobcats, Loss to Cavs, beat Raptors by 3.

Agreed....Woodson was hell bent on starting Amar'e when he returned and it ultimately cost us the 6th seed and a first round match up with Indy...a team we would have beat.

Instead we got Miami and Amar'e was clearlynot focused mentally....he played through pain and as a result of frustration he cut his hand up.

I have not completely givenup on Amar'e but I'm not expecting anything from him either.

[lowkeymelo]

What you call insight I call nonsense and over analying how can any logic disprove that? I'll just go with what Woody originally said and what he lastly said in the paper which was Amare is a great player in this league and he thinks him and Melo will work fine together. And when the reporter pointed out that he and melo have a losing record together he simply said "Is it a losing record with me as coach". And that says it all for me. Amare will start and I will be sure to remind you how wrong you were when he returns.

[Jesse2272]

Agreed....Woodson was hell bent on starting Amar'e when he returned and it ultimately cost us the 6th seed and a first round match up with Indy...a team we would have beat.

Instead we got Miami and Amar'e was clearing not focused mentally....he played through pain and as a result of frustration he cut his hand up.

I have not completely givenup on Amar'e but I'm not expecting anything from him either.

I'm expecting a lot mainly sacrifice and commitment!

[lowkeymelo]

Posted This In The Other Thread but Idc


I Still See No Valid Reason why Amare Should be benched ..Dwade's game has more than dropped since Lebron went to south beach but only because they got that cHEATed championship last season ..all is well right ?...Amare Had an Injured LOCKOUT Season where he never got his back right because he couldnt work with the knick trainers & from injuring it in the playoffs in 2011 after he killed in game 1 vs boston (and we got cheated that game)... he didnt have that bad of a season... He got 20 & 10 with ONE Hand in that game 4 win .. He and Melo played well together before Tyson chandler got here & mostly when tyson chandler wasnt on the court with em or not playing .. so They can play together ... When Rasheed gets on the court with both of them the team will flourish on both ends of the floor ...Its all about How he fits in with Tyson Chandler... Amare had to gain more post moves for a reason and in that preseason game against toronto he looked pretty damn good ... Cant Wait Till he Get back to prove all these clowns wrong ..aww man

[Jesse2272]

Posted This In The Other Thread but Idc


I Still See No Valid Reason why Amare Should be benched ..Dwade's game has more than dropped since Lebron went to south beach but only because they got that cHEATed championship last season ..all is well right ?...Amare Had an Injured LOCKOUT Season where he never got his back right because he couldnt work with the knick trainers & from injuring it in the playoffs in 2011 after he killed in game 1 vs boston (and we got cheated that game)... he didnt have that bad of a season... He got 20 & 10 with ONE Hand in that game 4 win .. He and Melo played well together before Tyson chandler got here & mostly when tyson chandler wasnt on the court with em or not playing .. so They can play together ... When Rasheed gets on the court with both of them the team will flourish on both ends of the floor ...Its all about How he fits in with Tyson Chandler... Amare had to gain more post moves for a reason and in that preseason game against toronto he looked pretty damn good ... Cant Wait Till he Get back to prove all these clowns wrong ..aww man

IMHO Amare should in no way be just immediately slotted into the starting 5, he should be worked in and given every opportunity to earn that spot back, or if more beneficial come off the bench, leave the ego at the door, chip or ego, make a choice stat earn it or not, Ive completely changed my view this team is special, hopefully Woody is as good as he is showing