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  1. #736
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    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    The Marlins aren't going to want Castro.
    If you're trading a player like Stanton, you probably want the most value you can get with little concern for positional needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    Barney for Porcello is a trade I'd make.
    That's a good swap value-wise, but it just seems a bit counterintuitive. Weakening our IF defense to get a pitcher who is so attractive precisely because of our good IF defense (and vice-verse with them trading away their most GB-dependent pitcher to upgrade the IF defense).
    Last edited by Rynoplasty; 11-28-2012 at 10:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mell413 View Post
    I think his issues are overblown tbh.
    Idk, that whole eye-black thing was exceptionally childish and stupid. When you're in the MLB, you need to be more conscious of what you do on an every second basis.

    Even if he didn't mean it the way it came off, you have to be smarter. That shows immaturity. Immaturity, at this level, and once you've been in the league as long as he has now....just isn't a good thing.

    That said, I'm not in the business of having the best team of nice guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoplasty View Post
    If you're trading a player like Stanton, you probably want the most value you can get with little concern for positional needs.
    Even if/when they do decide to trade him (I'd guess before 2015) they'll definitely be asking for a package similar (in terms of value) to the one they got for Miggy.

    Wonder what offers are like for Barney right now...
    Last edited by TyrionLannister; 11-28-2012 at 10:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidH View Post
    Any word on Liriano and McCarthy's offers?
    Liriano was offered the exact same contract as Feldman, turned it down...

    McCarthy is waiting for Greinke to sign... smart, mainly because I keep hearing him attached to the Angels now...
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    Hadn't heard about the eye black thing...just googled it. Wow... What was his explanation for that one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    Idk, that whole eye-black thing was exceptionally childish and stupid. When you're in the MLB, you need to be more conscious of what you do on an every second basis.

    Even if he didn't mean it the way it came off, you have to be smarter. That shows immaturity. Immaturity, at this level, and once you've been in the league as long as he has now....just isn't a good thing.

    That said, I'm not in the business of having the best team of nice guys.
    The fact that my favorite football team's season is partially riding on a player who has a track record of acting completely insane at times, pretty much sums up my feelings about "character" on my favorite sports teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrionLannister View Post
    The fact that my favorite football team's season is partially riding on a player who has a track record of acting completely insane at times, pretty much sums up my feelings about "character" on my favorite sports teams.
    At least your season is still riding though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPorter07 View Post
    Trade: Anthony Rizzo, Javier Baez, Marco Hernandez, Dillon Maples, Tony Zych, Matt Szczur, Josh Vitters and Darwin Barney to the Miami Marlins for Giancarlo Stanton, Logan Morrison and Yunel Escobar

    8 for 3 deals are rare to be certain, however this is one that both organization would be hard pressed not to seriously consider (Not to mention the Marlins were just apart of a 12 player mega deal…they do exsist). Obviously, Stanton is the prize here however Escobar is a very solid return piece as well. 'Unloading' Morrison is apparently a must for this band of misfits (Loria/Sampson) and would just so happen to be almost a must in return for Rizzo being in the deal (Morrison is a 1B, no one can convince me otherwise)

    The payment is steep. Rizzo, Baez and Barney are all high (trade) value guys with Hernandez, Maples, Szczur and to some extent Zych all being 'high ceiling' prospects with varying degrees of 'risk' (although as prospects, aren't they all risky?) Marlins completely overhaul their farm/MLB roster(s) and likely win another WS title prior to us (they seem to do it after every blow up) Easy to project how this deal is a win of the Marlins- upgrading significantly at 1B and 2B immediately while also netting a south Florida legend and uber prospect in Baez.

    All that said, IMHO the Cubs actually get away with losing very little that isn't replaceable within the next few offseasons prospect wise. Baez is the 'special' piece while the rest can be found with good scouting and player development and trades such as:

    Trade Matt Garza to the Boston Red Sox for Matt Barnes, Anthony Ranaudo, Brandon Workman and Ryan Sweeney
    This trade is based off of Garza having clean medicals. His track record of success in the AL East and the familiarity that the Red Sox have with him because of it would play a huge factor into them pulling the trigger prior to him taking the bump after the ‘injury’. Is it a fantastic return? Nah, but realistically it’s tough to imagine the Cubs getting one with all the variables involved (injury, contract year/impending free agency, etc.) Barnes becomes the best rotational arm in the system above A ball while Workman is an easily projectable Joe Blanton type 4/5 (which has solid value) Ranaudo is the ultimate lotto card and the type of extremely high ceiling guy that the Cubs brass would like to get back in a Garza deal. Ranaudo has soured enough in Bostons eyes that they likely would add him to such a deal even with his TORP high end appeal (although he could just as easily become Mark Pawelek as well) Sweeney give the team a solid 4/5 OF that can play all three postions. Boston meanwhile, can slot Garza into the 2nd spot in the rotation or get crazy and deal Lester for a big bat and slide Garza into the top spot (which he plays as barely league average as, much better 2nd option IMHO)

    Trade Alfonso Soriano, Junior Lake and cash to the New York Yankees for Joba Chamberlain, Zachary Nuding, Nik Turley and Austin Romane
    I realize it’s kinda generic to say ‘Soriano to Yanks in a deal involving Joba’ but it is was it is. A baseball trade that serves both organizations needs. Lake is a prospect I’m not crazy about personally, however the Yankees lack any depth behind Cano, Jeter and ARod and Lake is close enough to possibily start to take the burden away from the trio a bit. Soriano’s resurgence as an acceptable starting LF fills a gap for the Yanks as Gardner is still feeling the effects of his injury. For the Cubs, pitching, pitching and more pitching is the need and what they get here. Joba could potentially handle a rotation spot, but likely he slides into the back end of the bullpen.

    Trade Carlos Marmol and Logan Watkins to the Angels for Alberto Callaspo
    Callaspo is a 3B for the Angels but I believe he’ll profile much better as a 2B. He’s a solid, no holes type 2B that this organization has become accustomed to having (Morandini, Young, Walker, Barney etc.) Marmol is an obvious interest to the Angels while Watkins is the type of versatile MI type the Angels love.
    Sign Ryan Theriot to a 1 year vet minimum deal
    Not a huge fan of ‘The Riot’ however, vet mini signing happen, often, and this one would fit what ‘my’ Cubs team needs- backup MI help

    Sign Nick Swisher to a 3 year 50M deal with a mutual option at 14M for year 4
    It’s an overpay, but the hike up in AYV is to negate a fourth year being automatically included. Swisher plays a solid corner OF and offers an above average bat and in the scenario he also offers an above average solution at 1B if LoMo faulters.

    Sign Zack Greinke to a 6 year 146M deal
    Want a TORP? Gunna cost ya 21-25M per. No way around it. Luckily for us, money is one asset this organization has in bundles. Greinke is the only legitimate ace available in this market and is the only free agent that I will be legitimately p-ssed off at if they don’t pursue aggressively.

    C- Castillo, Navarro
    1B- *Morrison (Swisher)
    2B- Callaspo, Theriot
    SS- Castro
    3B- Escobar,* Valbuena
    LF- Swisher, Sappelt
    CF- *DeJesus,* Sweeney
    RF- Stanton

    Lineup:
    (s)Callaspo- 2B
    *DeJesus-CF
    Castro-SS
    Stanton-RF
    (s)Swisher-LF
    Escobar-3B
    Morrison-1B
    Castillo-C
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    Rotation:
    SP- Greinke
    SP- Samardzija
    SP- Baker
    SP- Feldman
    SP- *T. Wood

    CL- Vizcaino
    SU-Chamberlain
    MR-*Russell
    MR-Bowden
    MR-*Beliveau
    MR-Camp
    MR-Cabrera
    I love this a ton. Good Mock man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrionLannister View Post
    The fact that my favorite football team's season is partially riding on a player who has a track record of acting completely insane at times, pretty much sums up my feelings about "character" on my favorite sports teams.
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    Brandon Marshall is (was) a nut job. He is good at football. The imp cares about W's not about a player's personality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mell413 View Post
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    I don't care about a player's actions on or off-the-court so long as he performs. I'm happy and excited to be rooting for Brandon Marshall even though he had been generally known as a complete headcase throughout his entire career.

    Sorry, looking back I worded that really awkwardly.

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    I just didn't know which player he was referring to. I knew what his overall point and it's one I agree with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mell413 View Post
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    Cutler is a d-bag too, so i guess it could be either one of them
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    Thanks for the info, MB and ABTY.

    The Rays and A's could both use Barney and obviously have lots of pitching. Slightly disappointed in that McCarthy tidbit.

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