With Bay, the Mets weren't trying to save a few bucks. They saved approximately $60 million + 3 additional years at risk, and Bay was a good player to sign. There were no questions about him -- except for rumors about a knee injury which proved false. He produced in Pittsburgh ( a pitcher's park) and in Boston under the scrutiny of the Boston media, a pennant race, and the player the BoSox received in return for the iconic Manny Ramirez.
Last edited by Dugmet; 11-21-2012 at 10:12 AM.
"The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson
I believe the point was that, as bad as incompetent as the Wilpons are, especially Jeff, we don't know that Jeff is in fact the one who will be handling the Wright negotiation.
Sure, if he is, it's time to head for the hills and circle the wagons. And jump ship sooner than later. We call can be damned sure the transaction will be botched.
But why freak out about it now, based on a media account that may or may not be true?
No one is defending the Wilpons (well, almost no one. Woody, meet Dugmet.) we're just saying (or at least I think we're saying) is wait for the report about Jeff handling the negotiation to be confirmed before freaking out.
Just my two cents.
"Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."
Reyes got close to Carl Crawford money, he's getting $2-3M less per year and for one less year making it a $35M difference. But even Carl Crawford didn't deserve Carl Crawford money, and if Reyes was a Boras client like he was, I'd bet that he would have got something like that.
Youngstuna already pointed it out, but if it weren't for Citi Field being the largest park in the league in 2009 and 2010, Wright would've been fine. It really messed him up. Even then, it was his defense that was at an all time low for him, since he put up oWAR numbers of 4.3 in '09 and 4.0 in '10. His defense was superb in 2012, so I don't really see that as a problem anymore.
Last edited by MetsFanatic19; 11-21-2012 at 10:52 AM.
And he still hit 29 homers in 2010 so it's not like he sucked. That production is very good considering the circumstances. His defense was OK in 2009, but in 2010-2011 his defense suffered because he bulked up to hit homers and got injured as well.
In 2012 he's back to the Wright of old, but with better defense and a little less power.
Why the hell do fans care so much about contract lengths and the companies money? We aren't shareholders, we don't mean jack squat. We just get to watch the games and hope it has players we like. I've already accepted that this team is only going to win about one world series in my lifetime, so why should I resign myself to the medial duties of an accountant? I want to watch my favorite player, and I want him on my team for the rest of this decade and more.
Third baseman deteriorate the quickest offensively behind catchers so we had to expect some decline.
Like YS said the previous incarnation of Citi Field hurt Wrights offensive stats and certainly got into his head too.
They should have never changed the dimensions from Shea (that was a very fair park)
Last edited by metswon69; 11-21-2012 at 01:00 PM.
Plain and simple his production does not warrant the contract he wants. .306 BA 21 HRs 93 RBIs is not worth a 7 year contract where that production will decline from where it currently is he wants a little less money than Ryan Braun and Braun is a way better player offensively. Plus Braun is getting better where Wright is declining
But comparing him to just one player is silly. By that logic he should get way way more than 140 mil...b/c Crawford got 140 mil and he's better than Crawford offensively and plays a much more premium position
Last edited by Raspy44; 11-21-2012 at 05:50 PM.
He is not the SB threat he was either.
He's still a very good offensive player but not the caliber of offensive player he once was.
I think its fair to say he hasn't been as consistently good over the last 4 years as he was over the prior 4 years...that much is clear. He was elite every year from 2005 to 2008 and rarely slumped. But just looking at the individual years as a whole his 2012 was right up there with one of his best.