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    2013 Cap Issues

    So I was doing a little research on our financial forecast for this coming draft and free agency period, since I think that this will be an exciting time. Here is our current roster of base salaries going into next year.

    1.Aaron Curry : Not sure if he will carry a cap hit
    2.Carson Palmer $13,000,000
    3.Heyward-Bey $7,721,000
    4.Richard Seymour $7,500,000
    5.Tommy Kelly $6,500,000
    6.Tyvon Branch $6,000,000
    7.Darren Mcfadden $5,856,250
    8.Mike Brisiel $4,350,000
    9.Rolando McClain $4,005,000
    10.Michael Huff $4,000,000
    11.Janikowski $3,800,000
    12.Marcel Reece $ 1,423,000
    13.Condo $1,200,000
    14.Tollefson $900,000
    15.Wisniewski $750,946
    16.Francies $630,000
    17.Houston $630,000
    18.Kennan Clayton $575,000
    19.Jered Veldheer $575,000
    20.Travis Goethel $575,000
    21.Willie Smith $555,000
    22.Denarius Moore $555,000
    23.Taiwan Jones $555,000
    24.Richard Gordon $555,000
    25.Terrelle Pryor $555,000
    26.Vic So'oto $555,000
    27.David Ausberry $555,000
    28.Miles Burris $480,000
    29.Juron Criner $480,000
    30.Jack Crawford $480,000
    31.Christo Bilukidi $480,000
    32.Tony Bergstrom $480,000
    33.Rod Streater $480,000
    34.Lucas Nix $480,000
    35.Futures Player $480,000
    36.Futures Player $480,000
    37.Futures Player $480,000
    38.Futures Player $480,000
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    40.Futures Player $480,000
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    47.Futures Player $480,000
    48.Futures Player $480,000
    49.Futures Player $480,000
    50.Futures Player $480,000
    51.Futures Player $480,000

    The bad news is however that this puts us over 4 million dollars over the cap again this offseason, with the expectation that the flat cap stays at 120.6m for all teams. We must also take into account a very high draft pick. In the new CBA these picks only get paid a minimum of 390k but if we do select someone that high its doubtful they come that cheap (the optional fifth year they get an average of the top ten at that position).

    Really hope RM starts axing some of these guys there is a very talented free agent class this year. Also I believe that the new CBA lets us avoid all cap hits for cut players during the offseason.

    So it looks as if we will need to cut players again who are grossly overpaid. These numbers also do not count incentives that fall into the "likely to be earned" category and will reflect on our cap space.
    Last edited by HawaiiStyle; 11-24-2012 at 11:09 AM.

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    DHB, Seymour, Kelly and McClain are all off that list come next year.. I don't know how much will be dead money but that's aprox 25mm right there


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    And the bad news never ends...geez! Well I can seen Palmer, DHB, and maybe one more player restructuring, and several others being cut. Still, this isn't good because Reggie will once again be strapped to acquire decent free agents and signing drafted players. However, I can see that cutting anyone on this team will not be a problem, and it also won't affect the team that much cause we cannot get any worse.
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    Just wanted to check math and the total you are showing is 77.035 million what is the dead money and everything else that puts us over the cap. Just tryong to see your full point.

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    Like I have said in many other posts, It's going to take a while to clean up the mess that Al Davis left behind and The bad trades that cost us our draft picks will hurt us for at least the next couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwayne182 View Post
    Just wanted to check math and the total you are showing is 77.035 million what is the dead money and everything else that puts us over the cap. Just tryong to see your full point.
    Sorry I tried to condense this to make the thread a little smaller in initial size. The contracts that I posted were base rates. The other money that is crushing us is all incentive based or signing bonuses. If incentives are deemed "likely to be achieved" they hit the cap. I will show you a couple examples really quick.

    First tyvon branch I have listed as 6m when in reality his cap hit is much greater. It is sitting at: In 2013- $6 million base plus $3.5 roster bonus plus $1.4 million prorated signing bonus. $10.9 million cap hit.

    as per NFL.com and http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2...tails-revealed

    Next: Rolando Mcclain - Base 2013 4,005,000 Misc Bonuses: 2,670,000 Total Cap hit: 6,675,000

    Darren McFadden : base 5,650,000, bonuses 2,162,167, total 7,812,167

    Tommy Kelly: Base: 6.5m, Signing Bonus: 2.16m, Misc: 707k Total Cap Hit: 9.374m


    If your interested in these bonuses out of all the sites I was looking through http://www.spotrac.com , seems to have all the figures.

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    Its amazing that Al gave Tommy Kelly a 2.16+ million dollar a year signing bonus for a total of 13m lol

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    I can see Kelly, Brisiel and McClain off for sure. Huff is a possibility too. I think all the other high salary players stay, hopefully restructuring occurs on some if not all of them.

    2013 Free Agents

    Sign Hillis (RB)
    Sign Sanders/Wallace (WR)
    Sign Andre Smith (OT)
    Re-sign Wheeler and sign Rey Maualuga (LB)
    Re-sign Bartell, Spencer and Hanson (DB)
    Sign Louis Delmas/Nate Clements (S)
    Sign Josh Cribbs (KR/PR)
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    almost all of the top 11 names on that list have no chance of seeing that money.especially the players near the end of their deals .Most contracts are written with outs for the team near the end.

    I think Carson and Dmac get to keep their money.
    Everyone else is restruvtured or cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiiStyle View Post

    1.Aaron Curry : Not sure if he will carry a cap hit
    2.Carson Palmer $13,000,000 *
    3.Heyward-Bey $7,721,000 *
    4.Richard Seymour $7,500,000
    5.Tommy Kelly $6,500,000
    6.Tyvon Branch $6,000,000
    7.Darren Mcfadden $5,856,250
    8.Mike Brisiel $4,350,000
    9.Rolando McClain $4,005,000
    10.Michael Huff $4,000,000 *
    11.Janikowski $3,800,000 *
    12.Marcel Reece $ 1,423,000
    13.Condo $1,200,000
    14.Tollefson $900,000
    15.Wisniewski $750,946
    16.Francies $630,000
    17.Houston $630,000
    18.Kennan Clayton $575,000
    19.Jered Veldheer $575,000
    20.Travis Goethel $575,000
    21.Willie Smith $555,000
    22.Denarius Moore $555,000
    23.Taiwan Jones $555,000
    24.Richard Gordon $555,000
    25.Terrelle Pryor $555,000
    26.Vic So'oto $555,000
    27.David Ausberry $555,000
    28.Miles Burris $480,000
    29.Juron Criner $480,000
    30.Jack Crawford $480,000
    31.Christo Bilukidi $480,000
    32.Tony Bergstrom $480,000
    33.Rod Streater $480,000
    34.Lucas Nix $480,000
    The highlighted need to released and the asterisk restructured. When you lose in the trenches you lose football games, simple.

    The 2012 starting over was an epic failure, those players should have been moved long ago.

    The company is worth 800 million dollars, you supply critical coaching positions to multiple rookies? This is beyond dysfunctional i`m sorry.

    Without a genocide of player movement, the Oakland Raiders continue to be dreadful.

    Lechler, Branch, Mitchell and Ford should also seek employment elsewhere.

    2013 should be devoted to real movement and change, the current illusion was long over before it started. RM must enforce a major flush, If he doesn`t I wouldn`t expect seeing him in Oakland for very long, multiple slugs will get him removed which may not be a bad idea, I`m not a fan of any of the hires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiiStyle View Post
    So I was doing a little research on our financial forecast for this coming draft and free agency period, since I think that this will be an exciting time. Here is our current roster of base salaries going into next year.

    1.Aaron Curry : Not sure if he will carry a cap hit
    2.Carson Palmer $13,000,000
    3.Heyward-Bey $7,721,000
    4.Richard Seymour $7,500,000
    5.Tommy Kelly $6,500,000
    6.Tyvon Branch $6,000,000
    7.Darren Mcfadden $5,856,250
    8.Mike Brisiel $4,350,000
    9.Rolando McClain $4,005,000
    10.Michael Huff $4,000,000
    11.Janikowski $3,800,000
    12.Marcel Reece $ 1,423,000
    13.Condo $1,200,000
    14.Tollefson $900,000
    15.Wisniewski $750,946
    16.Francies $630,000
    17.Houston $630,000
    18.Kennan Clayton $575,000
    19.Jered Veldheer $575,000
    20.Travis Goethel $575,000
    21.Willie Smith $555,000
    22.Denarius Moore $555,000
    23.Taiwan Jones $555,000
    24.Richard Gordon $555,000
    25.Terrelle Pryor $555,000
    26.Vic So'oto $555,000
    27.David Ausberry $555,000
    28.Miles Burris $480,000
    29.Juron Criner $480,000
    30.Jack Crawford $480,000
    31.Christo Bilukidi $480,000
    32.Tony Bergstrom $480,000
    33.Rod Streater $480,000
    34.Lucas Nix $480,000
    35.Futures Player $480,000
    36.Futures Player $480,000
    37.Futures Player $480,000
    38.Futures Player $480,000
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    48.Futures Player $480,000
    49.Futures Player $480,000
    50.Futures Player $480,000
    51.Futures Player $480,000

    The bad news is however that this puts us over 4 million dollars over the cap again this offseason, with the expectation that the flat cap stays at 120.6m for all teams. We must also take into account a very high draft pick. In the new CBA these picks only get paid a minimum of 390k but if we do select someone that high its doubtful they come that cheap (the optional fifth year they get an average of the top ten at that position).

    Really hope RM starts axing some of these guys there is a very talented free agent class this year. Also I believe that the new CBA lets us avoid all cap hits for cut players during the offseason.

    So it looks as if we will need to cut players again who are grossly overpaid. These numbers also do not count incentives that fall into the "likely to be earned" category and will reflect on our cap space.

    Good work, I was curious to how the cap situation looked going into 2013. Thanks for putting that together.

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    Trading McClain / Seymour and Kelly is the top priority and that's if Seymour doesn't retire after this season with all his knee problems. Trading DMC for a high 3rd if not low 2nd round pick will help us acquire a CB. This years draft class is very weak trading down in the 1st to a team like the Niners (30th) and while getting another 3rd round pick or even another second allows us to stack our roster with defense at low round cost. We should throw Seymour on season ending injury reserve and resign Jarvis moss to back up Andre Carter so syemour takes a hint that his time is up.

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    Everyone from thirteen up is gonna see their contract change if not evaporate.....
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    I'm not worried one bit about 2013 cap situation. At a glance it pretty much resolves itself. Just be ready to bid farewell to some player favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiiStyle View Post
    So I was doing a little research on our financial forecast for this coming draft and free agency period, since I think that this will be an exciting time. Here is our current roster of base salaries going into next year.

    1.Aaron Curry : Not sure if he will carry a cap hit
    2.Carson Palmer $13,000,000
    3.Heyward-Bey $7,721,000
    4.Richard Seymour $7,500,000
    5.Tommy Kelly $6,500,000
    6.Tyvon Branch $6,000,000
    7.Darren Mcfadden $5,856,250
    8.Mike Brisiel $4,350,000
    9.Rolando McClain $4,005,000
    10.Michael Huff $4,000,000
    11.Janikowski $3,800,000
    12.Marcel Reece $ 1,423,000
    13.Condo $1,200,000
    14.Tollefson $900,000
    15.Wisniewski $750,946
    16.Francies $630,000
    17.Houston $630,000
    18.Kennan Clayton $575,000
    19.Jered Veldheer $575,000
    20.Travis Goethel $575,000
    21.Willie Smith $555,000
    22.Denarius Moore $555,000
    23.Taiwan Jones $555,000
    24.Richard Gordon $555,000
    25.Terrelle Pryor $555,000
    26.Vic So'oto $555,000
    27.David Ausberry $555,000
    28.Miles Burris $480,000
    29.Juron Criner $480,000
    30.Jack Crawford $480,000
    31.Christo Bilukidi $480,000
    32.Tony Bergstrom $480,000
    33.Rod Streater $480,000
    34.Lucas Nix $480,000
    35.Futures Player $480,000
    36.Futures Player $480,000
    37.Futures Player $480,000
    38.Futures Player $480,000
    39.Futures Player $480,000
    40.Futures Player $480,000
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    44.Futures Player $480,000
    45.Futures Player $480,000
    46.Futures Player $480,000
    47.Futures Player $480,000
    48.Futures Player $480,000
    49.Futures Player $480,000
    50.Futures Player $480,000
    51.Futures Player $480,000

    The bad news is however that this puts us over 4 million dollars over the cap again this offseason, with the expectation that the flat cap stays at 120.6m for all teams. We must also take into account a very high draft pick. In the new CBA these picks only get paid a minimum of 390k but if we do select someone that high its doubtful they come that cheap (the optional fifth year they get an average of the top ten at that position).

    Really hope RM starts axing some of these guys there is a very talented free agent class this year. Also I believe that the new CBA lets us avoid all cap hits for cut players during the offseason.

    So it looks as if we will need to cut players again who are grossly overpaid. These numbers also do not count incentives that fall into the "likely to be earned" category and will reflect on our cap space.
    those aren' there total cap hits
    Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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